Revelation 3:20

[Fool]

it is mentioned in revelation a first and second death, which implies in contrast a first birth and second birth.


in the gnostic system the first death is the spirit imprisoned in the earthly body(grave), which could be reference to the idea in daniel 12:2 and the sleeping in the dust waking to everlasting life or contempt.

the second death is the physical death and the release back to who, what, where it came from as mentioned in ecclesiastes 12:7

what then is the first and second and births?

i understand being born again, awakening, would be a birth and suggests the first birth? Like revelation 20:6


and does the spirit being imprisoned in the grave(body) somehow places a veil over the spirit/consciousness so that it can't access previous memories to this incarnation?


all, in all you're just another bricked up at the door

<<<<<giggles>>>>>

 

[1213]

it is mentioned in revelation a first and second death, which implies in contrast a first birth and second birth.

Maybe this life is the first death.

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what then is the first and second and births?
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In Biblical point of view second birth is:

....That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
John 3:3-7
But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13
It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
John 6:63

 

[Fool]

Maybe this life is the first death.

In Biblical point of view second birth is:

....That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
John 3:3-7
But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:12-13
It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
John 6:63

so the first birth is the physical and the second is the spiritual, or awakening?

2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God.3Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

 

[1213]

so the first birth is the physical and the second is the spiritual, or awakening?

Something like that, I think.

 

[Fool]

Something like that, I think.

so the death of one is the birth of the other

2 Corinthians 5:8​