Richard Dawkin

[Apex]

You can't whine about your rights when you easily deny them to others, thats the point im making.

Oh woeful ignorance.

The point is i don't like them there in the first place. Hence my want for freedom from religion.

What if we don't like atheists either? Can we have them removed too? Got a group of them here where I live.

 

[Linda777]

ThereIsNoSpoon;1342765]I remember the saying that the greatest archievement of satan would be to make people believe he didn't exist. According to that logic one must presume that God is Satan.

Actually Satan really has no achievements. Jesus said Satan comes to rob kill and destroy. Basically Satan is not capable of creating or doing anything that is constructive. His power can only destroy. He is by all reports and facts a loser.

Frankly spoken: If God just showed up I could take that far better than to reveal himself by means which make people think he didn't exist.

God isn't to blame, people are if they think he doesn't exist..and God did show up, when he showed himself in Christ.

When i read Genesis 1 i can't help but wonder how anybody could relate that to reality. There mere idea that plants came before the sun is somewhat unrealistic.

I don't see how there is any problem with Genesis 1.
You might also say that Adam and Eve were created adults. No problem.
The light God spoke into existence in verse 3 is the same light he set in the firmament in verse 17. It was there before the plants.

 

[logician]

Dawkins and Gould(deceased) have their disagreements about evolution being more gene based (Dawkins), or organism based(Gould). Both give convincing arguments, I am on the fence as yet on this debate.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Actually Satan really has no achievements.

For me Satan doesn't exist at all.

God isn't to blame, people are if they think he doesn't exist

Of course he would be if he existed and did such a rather poor job.
It is not as if he would not have been more capable of doing better in convincing people (if he existed).

..and God did show up, when he showed himself in Christ.

Says who ? What evidence can you show me ?

I don't see how there is any problem with Genesis 1.
You might also say that Adam and Eve were created adults. No problem.

Well I do see that as a problem. Humans do not come out of clay in an adult form. If you have seen some doing that you may show them to me.
The mere statement in a book has no more validity than the claim that pink elephants hold up earth in the universe... one pink elephant over the other.
If you replace pink elephant by giant turtle you will by the way have a statement found in another book.

The light God spoke into existence in verse 3 is the same light he set in the firmament in verse 17. It was there before the plants.

I beg you to reread Genesis. Especially the sequence of days.
If you then also consult the ancient views of earth and the universe you might reconsider. Take a look at Empedocles for example.

If you don't mind i would ask a question about you ?
Are you a creationist believing in the idea about earth being less than 10000 years old ?

 

[darkendless]

Oh woeful ignorance.

What if we don't like atheists either? Can we have them removed too? Got a group of them here where I live.

On your part yes. I think its unfair of you to whine about rights.

The thing is atheists probably dont come to your house and tell you to stop believeing in God. They probably do not harass you about your beliefs.

 

[Linda777]

ThereIsNoSpoon;1343732]For me Satan doesn't exist at all.


Of course he would be if he existed and did such a rather poor job.
It is not as if he would not have been more capable of doing better in convincing people (if he existed).

You have the right to your view.

Says who ? What evidence can you show me ?

Look for it yourself as I did.

Well I do see that as a problem. Humans do not come out of clay in an adult form. If you have seen some doing that you may show them to me.
The mere statement in a book has no more validity than the claim that pink elephants hold up earth in the universe... one pink elephant over the other.
If you replace pink elephant by giant turtle you will by the way have a statement found in another book.

Atheists and the like are not interesting to talk to since all t heir arguments are old and stale and soundly refuted.
I'm not into talking about pink elephants.
Too boring and childlike.

I beg you to reread Genesis. Especially the sequence of days.
If you then also consult the ancient views of earth and the universe you might reconsider. Take a look at Empedocles for example.

Old argument again. Not a good one. It has been refuted over and over.

If you don't mind i would ask a question about you ?
Are you a creationist believing in the idea about earth being less than 10000 years old

You have no idea do you how long millions and billions of years are?
The earth is millenniums old not billions of years old. Absurd to think the earth is billions of years old. There is no way to measure that. No clock no calender no device no nothing can count billions of years.
Every scientific fact proves the young earth.
But since the lies of evolution is already in the school system those in "authority" say why change horses in mid-stream.
The lie is in the world in our schools and our government and many believe it.
The NWO to deceive the masses to control them and track their lives.
Jesus is returning soon as he said and that is the only escape from t he new world order taking over the globe.
I'm not an alarmist, but do see what is going on.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Every scientific fact proves the young earth.

I would presume that this means your answer to my question concerning you being a creationist thinking earth to be some 10000 years old is "yes".

I think your view about me is near my view about you.
- Everyone is entitled to his view.
- Your view holds no ground when it comes to rational and scientific evidence. Frankly there is no evidence for it nor does it explain anything at all.
- It would be too childish to discuss the rather obvious error you live with or try to speak about your conspiracy theory.

 

[YmirGF]

Are you his supporter?

Dear Storyteller,

In a work, Dawkins ROCKS!

Unlike some others here, I think Dawkins is on to something when he describes religious indoctrination as being a form of child abuse. I wholeheartedly agree that it can be. Another idea he brings up, that I wholeheartedly support, is the notion that religion receives far more respect than it has proven to be worthy of. Frankly, this small world needs a lot more people like Dawkins and considerably less people who would defend their religion to the death. I think what disturbs people so about Dawkins, is that for the most part, he is right.

 

[YmirGF]

You have the right to your view.

Curiously, how is a belief in the reality of Satan helpful?

Look for it yourself as I did.

This is a pretty typical literary device employed by those without any real evidence to bolster what they are purporting.

Atheists and the like are not interesting to talk to since all their arguments are old and stale and soundly refuted. I'm not into talking about pink elephants. Too boring and childlike.

Just how, in contrast, can speaking to the choir be considered stimulating dialogue? Isn't it far more interesting to chat to those who do not believe what you believe and do not simply roll over and let you tickle their belly?

You have no idea do you how long millions and billions of years are? The earth is millenniums old not billions of years old. Absurd to think the earth is billions of years old. There is no way to measure that. No clock no calender no device no nothing can count billions of years.

Surely, you are not serious about these vapid assertions.

Every scientific fact proves the young earth.

Say what? Can you provide us with some evidence to backup this somewhat amusing claim?

But since the lies of evolution is already in the school system those in "authority" say why change horses in mid-stream.

They do? Oddly, I have never heard of teachers and administrators getting their nickers in a twist over this.

The lie is in the world in our schools and our government and many believe it.

*Gets out roll of tin foil. Pulls off a long piece.*

he NWO to deceive the masses to control them and track their lives.

*Hastily begins folding the foil deftly into an instantly recognizable form*

Jesus is returning soon as he said and that is the only escape from the new world order taking over the globe.

*Feverishly continues smoothing and folding. Dons freshly made tin-foil hat*
"Ah, that's better!"

I'm not an alarmist, but do see what is going on.

I see.

 

[YmirGF]

On your part yes. I think its unfair of you to whine about rights.

Yes, they do maintain the inalienable rights to the delusion of their pleasure.

The thing is atheists probably dont come to your house and tell you to stop believeing in God. They probably do not harass you about your beliefs.

What gets me is that the buggers never fall for the line that "I gave at the office." :run:

 

[Caladan]

Atheists and the like are not interesting to talk to since all t heir arguments are old and stale and soundly refuted.








The earth is millenniums old not billions of years old. Absurd to think the earth is billions of years old.
Every scientific fact proves the young earth.
But since the lies of evolution is already in the school system those in "authority" say why change horses in mid-stream.
The lie is in the world in our schools and our government and many believe it.
The NWO to deceive the masses to control them and track their lives.
Jesus is returning soon as he said and that is the only escape from t he new world order taking over the globe.
I'm not an alarmist, but do see what is going on.

:biglaugh:

 

[Caladan]

Linda,

You are living in the west (I assume) there is no reason that in the 21 century in the US, or any other developed western nation people will believe what you just voiced.

 

[Sunstone]

Atheists and the like are not interesting to talk to since all t heir arguments are old and stale and soundly refuted. I'm not into talking about pink elephants.
Too boring and childlike.

It's remarkable how much we have in common, Linda. I usually harbor the same feelings towards creationists, especially young earth creationists. Talking with them is so much like talking with children who are not yet past the age of experimenting with lying, and who don't realize their lies are transparent to the adults they encounter. You'll never believe this Linda, but some young earth creationists will even tell you they "majored in science"! What a hoot!

 

[darkendless]

It's remarkable how much we have in common, Linda. I usually harbor the same feelings towards creationists, especially young earth creationists. Talking with them is so much like talking with children who are not yet past the age of experimenting with with lying, and who don't realize their lies are transparent to the adults they encounter. You'll never believe this Linda, but some young earth creationists will even tell you they "majored in science"! What a hoot!

I agree there. My advice to anyone who cant grasp the possibility that maybe evolution is right, is to do some research. Sure you can deny what you find all you want but then at least people will think your futile attempts to attack science are somewhat thought out rather than plain idiotic.

 

[Linda777]

It's remarkable how much we have in common, Linda. I usually harbor the same feelings towards creationists, especially young earth creationists. Talking with them is so much like talking with children who are not yet past the age of experimenting with with lying, and who don't realize their lies are transparent to the adults they encounter. You'll never believe this Linda, but some young earth creationists will even tell you they "majored in science"! What a hoot!

Yep just as I thought from the ones who responded to my post. No evidence, no good argument, no nothing, just personal insults. Same old thing I always hear. I rest my case.

 

[Sunstone]

Yep just as I thought from the ones who responded to my post. No evidence, no good argument, no nothing, just personal insults. Same old thing I always hear. I rest my case.

Linda, what do you suppose are the odds that someone who has honestly "majored in science" would actually believe the weight of evidence points to the earth being only thousands of years old? What are those odds compared to the odds the person is merely lying about having majored in science? Especially when she has (1) shown no familiarity with science and (2) offered no evidence for her own views? As a scientist, how would you compare those two sets of odds?

 

[darkendless]

Yep just as I thought from the ones who responded to my post. No evidence, no good argument, no nothing, just personal insults. Same old thing I always hear. I rest my case.

Tell me Linda, how is it that engineers that build the structures you live in and around are wrong when we date bedrock at 380 million years old? Are we wrong? Do we have no idea what we're talking about? Should we stop building things because we can't age rocks and thus we cannot determine their relative stability??

I don't mean to insult you at all, you can believe what you want. But if you're going to throw insults out yourself be prepared to cop some flak, especially when you're defending something that is not based on visible evidence.

 

[Linda777]

Linda, what do you suppose are the odds that someone who has honestly "majored in science" would actually believe the weight of evidence points to the earth being only thousands of years old? What are those odds compared to the odds the person is merely lying about having majored in science? Especially when she has (1) shown no familiarity with science and (2) offered no evidence for her own views? As a scientist, how would you compare those two sets of odds?

Explain to me how the eye evolved? Let's start with that. Don't copy and paste anything. You tell me.

 

[Storm]

Explain to me how the eye evolved? Let's start with that. Don't copy and paste anything. You tell me.

A rather unreasonable demand, given that Sunstone has made no claim to expertise on the matter.

 

[Linda777]

Tell me Linda, how is it that engineers that build the structures you live in and around are wrong when we date bedrock at 380 million years old? Are we wrong? Do we have no idea what we're talking about? Should we stop building things because we can't age rocks and thus we cannot determine their relative stability??

I don't mean to insult you at all, you can believe what you want. But if you're going to throw insults out yourself be prepared to cop some flak, especially when you're defending something that is not based on visible evidence.

Explain to me how the rocks are dated. No copy and paste, just you tell me. Go into detail. How does anyone date a rock which has been here as long as all rocks.