Ridiculous statement of Jesus?

[McBell]

why not leave this thread to what Jesus said.....

Good idea.
I will start right after YOU start....

I think He claimed to have been at that starting....'point'

Really, where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"?

 

[outhouse]

I love that Outhouse. Mind if I borrow it? Its truly profound and right on point.

Please do I did

Jesus seminar posted it.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Jesus made wrong statements like he is son of god and the unfaithful will go to hell. Tell me who is not a son of god? How can a son of god go to hell for eternity? I have heard these ridiculous statements from christians. My question is why do we need such a religion based on blackmailing?

Technically, "son of God" was a metaphorical thing. He also said "son of Man". Not sure where you're getting the son of God going to hell for all eternity. The only story I've ever heard is where he goes to hell for 3 days to save pre-Jesus good people or some such thing.

Men wrote the Bible and as such, any statement made by any character of the Bible is made by those men to build a religion that could control the masses. Your post seems to indicate, at least to me, a very serious bias against the Christian faith.

It's also possible that exposure to certain types of Christians who say such things makes him think that, the types of Christians who made me finally consider myself a non-Christian follower of God. There are Christians who are ignorant of the bible, follow mostly John and Paul, and resort to massive amounts of idolatry. Unfortunately, they are also the most vocal (at least in the US).

This is not entirely true at all. The Christian faith does have an either/or scenario. Either you believe in the dogma or you're damned. And also, you compare being a child of a parent and then go on to state that because Jesus was the alleged son of God, he was God. You are not your father, nor your mother. You are an individual. The idea that Jesus was God is something I don't believe.

Also, the very human tween Mary is completely ignored when considering Jesus' humanity.

I think you meant witnessed statements.
Either way, what is your answer. Where does everything come from? Blind chance, luck, randomness.... go on, let us know, you ridicule our answers enough; let's hear yours.

It's not blind chance, just as it's not chance that a round ball will fit in a round hole. It's just what will fit. The same thing with "randomness". It's not truly random. What comes after depends on what came before. What is offensive about coming from other primates when creationism says we came from a literal "dirtbag"?

The quote has already been given higher on this page in Corinthians.

What if Paul said that merely to distract from the fact he's wrong?

You don't believe so you look at it with the wrong eyes.

Belief can also alter what the eyes see. Stoners can believe they can fly, so they jump ...

Not even Jesus was dumb enough to try THAT stunt...

You do not go to a lecturer and tell him he is wrong, do you?

If a lecturer tells you there is no such thing as stars, are you free to call this person out on it, or do you just accept what a lecturer tells you?

1Co 1- For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart." Where is the one who is wise?

So Paul is thanking God, as it were, for stupid people becasue they are the only ones foolish enough to listen to this Trojan Horse of Christianity?

If we are all going to end up in the same place, why do we need to try to do good?

Is it just for the gold star by your name you would risk doing moral things? Whether we go to heaven or whatever is irrelevant to the greater good, but the works we do will influence for generations to come.

So if he tells me to do something then there must be a reward for obeying and a punishment for disobeying. If that was not the case then God's words are useless and he himself is useless (since whether I believe in him or not, or follow him or not, makes no difference).

If God tells you to mow down people in a parade or kill your kids or whatever, even with the threat of punishment if you refuse, do you hold morality in such low esteem that you would do such evil things?

As John the Baptist sorta said, "God can make buttkissers out of rocks."

Now I'm more confused. In the same paragraph in which you said evil is a man made construct you have defined some choices as bad and others as good. What made the choices bad or good? What standard was used?

Was harm done to protect us or loved ones or was harm done because people wanted more of what was not theirs? We can judge trees by its fruit.

Being stuck in an endless cycle because you refuse to embrace the truth.

Even just one life refusing to see the light, as it were, can be hell.

As a nurse and a witness to suffering, I believe in hell, both for the living and the nonliving. However, for me, the living hell is far worse. Once you realize all Satan has to offer is an eternity of horror movie cliches, it gets tedious.

I am not sure how to answer this as I cannot conceive of someone being that obtuse. We strive toward enlightenment by degrees, IMO. IOW, there are levels in a manner of speaking. People can acheive enlightenment within one lifetime or it could take thousands. It is dependent on the person. Yes, a person can choose to live the same lesson who knows how many times but I cannot conceive of someone doing that.

In the bible Jesus notes a kind of double jeopardy clause, noting that rewards/punishments in this life will not be counted in the next. He also notes that, in the parable of the talents, we shall receive according to our worth. Full enlightenment or salvation would not be necessary, though it's a worthwhile goal. You will simply get the ending you qualified for.

Mt 13.34

The Historicity of it does not matter. It is the spiritual understanding that counts. And do you know why? Because God exists, the very one that you discuss all the time

So if I want to be a Jedi, the fact it's from a movie shouldn't matter as long as it gives me spiritual fulfillment? And if I CAN be a Jedi, do I get to criticize the Jedi, such as "when you mistreat someone you told was going to be a savior to the point they become the villain, is it your fault"?

OK so no one believes the Bible. Then we are all free to believe anything we want. But if you believe the Bible then John 1:12 says "as many as received Him, to them gave He the power to become the sons of God." nothing there about everyone automatically being a child of God. It says if you do not receive Him you do not have the power to become His child. Believe it or not is up to you but that is what it says. I'm sure people will find a way to say it does not mean what it says. But it clearly says everyone is not a child of God. Only those who receive Him.

It's also in the bible that the apostles were selfish, wanting to sit at Jesus' right hand, and thought poorly of those not in the group. Jesus was largely unsuccessful in preventing their exclusivity.

so, according to Thief, all you have to do is declare yourself a child of God and you automatically are?

Who are we to tell God who may or may not qualify as His kids?

Read John 1:12 again.

I think John's too busy flirting with Jesus while snuggling to be unbiased about Jesus' true nature.

Perhaps but how would one not interpret anything from one's own POV? Or bias, etc, if you will. How does anyone read anything that one doesn't do same? You might read the Sermon on the Mount and get one particular idea while I might get something entirely different.

Yes, but surely some things are testable, such as what a certain sentence would mean in the original language in cultural context? There are fields of study for that sort of thing. We may not prove what the authors thought, but I feel confident we can work out what is within the ballpark.

 

[sojourner]

Really, where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"

Seek first God's kingdom...

 

[McBell]

Seek first God's kingdom...

if that is all you got, you failed.

 

[outhouse]

Seek first God's kingdom...

Your taking Mestemias reply to Thief way our of context which is factually unsupported textually.

 

[Thief]

Sojourner is doing just fine....

 

[Desert Snake]

if that is all you got, you failed.

How so?

 

[McBell]

Sojourner is doing just fine....

Although he failed, he is doing better than you.

 

[Thief]

Although he failed, he is doing better than you.

kinda late for the trolls to be out of bed....
now play nice and be quiet

 

[McBell]

kinda late for the trolls to be out of bed....

Yet here you are....

now play nice and be quiet

I understand you desire to run from your claim, but you have not even attempted to support your claim.
At least sojourner made the attempt.

You ran tail tucked.
If you dislike being called out over it, to bad.
Grow a pair and support your claim.

 

[Thief]

shall we kill this thread and report each other?

 

[McBell]

shall we kill this thread and report each other?

You do whatever you feel you have to do.

Until you support your claim, it is dismissed as bull ****.
So, are you going to support it or are you content running tail tucked?

 

[Thief]

You do whatever you feel you have to do.

Until you support your claim, it is dismissed as bull ****.
So, are you going to support it or are you content running tail tucked?

and which unsupported quote of Jesus would you like to talk about
how about the topic?

 

[McBell]

and which unsupported quote of Jesus would you like to talk about
how about the topic?

Where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"?

 

[Thief]

Where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"?

Be thou perfect....as your Father is heaven is perfect.

He also said....Do not cast your pearls before swine...

 

[McBell]

Be thou perfect....as your Father is heaven is perfect.

Perhaps you misunderstood the question:

Where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"?​

He also said....Do not cast your pearls before swine...

No need to worry.
I am not a Christian, therefore that does not apply to me.
Thus I can cast all the pearls I want before you.
Of course, thus far you are merely running tail tucked....

 

[Thief]

Perhaps you misunderstood the question:

Where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"?​

No need to worry.
I am not a Christian, therefore that does not apply to me.
Thus I can cast all the pearls I want before you.
Of course, thus far you are merely running tail tucked....

not at all...

 

[outhouse]

Where exactly did Jesus say "spirit first"?

Never has.


Said person, I know who it is even though he is on ignore for refusing to answer such.


He cannot, he is stuck in a corner he built himself and cannot escape from. he has no source and has admitted he is a rouge theologian making it up as he goes.

 

[psychoslice]

I think everything Jesus said is ridiculers, when heard through the ego, and hence the many wars and arguing over what he said.