Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Who said it would be scientifically. straw man.
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Ridiculous statement of Jesus?
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outhouse
Atheistically
Supply a link. Until then you have an imaginative source.
outhouse
Atheistically
You might be, but me and mine are factually not from your personal belief.
Unsubstantiated rhetoric
outhouse
Atheistically
You did.
You are making claims it is accurate. Science can show us its path away from reality. It can and does show what is and is not mythology based on factual evidence. NOT faith and wishful thinking.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
It is not imaginative just because you don't have a source.
Search Ernest Martin - The star that astonished the world. It is a book.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
I think you meant witnessed statements.
Either way, what is your answer. Where does everything come from? Blind chance, luck, randomness.... go on, let us know, you ridicule our answers enough; let's hear yours.
Useless2015
Active Member
As a muslim, i believe Jesus pbuh never said such a thing. It would be blasphemy to call himself the son of God. God is One and Alone. Everything he creates depends on Him and He does not depend on us.
And we are not sons of God, we are a mere creation out of billions and billions of other creations. We are blessed enough to live on this beautiful planet which gives us everything we need. By not giving gratitude to your Creator, you cancel yourself out. Its a choice you make, so you should take responsibility for your own actions. So i would disagree, it is not blackmailing, it is reality.
outhouse
Atheistically
Supply a link or its not credible. Do your own work.
outhouse
Atheistically
It does not come from mythology that we know did not take place.
Humans factually evolved from previous species.
Abiogenesis is the best most plausible explanation yet, with Panspermia coming in second.
Your faith has nothing to do with our origins
Princeps Eugenius
Active Member
i think the threat of burning in hell forever was linked more to being a moral person. he didnt care what you would believe in but much more do to be saved from hell-fire.
Orbit
I'm a planet
Well, I know where you're coming from, so yes. But I really don't get the "traditional" formulation of the Trinity.
Even the Pope thinks people of all religions can get to heaven. You are taking the most extremist position and then putting that into the mouth of Jesus because you apparently don't like Christianity.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Christ is called the Son of God -but he is also called the firstborn of many brethren.
Humans made immortal will be the children of God.
The Word -who was in the beginning with God, the Father -became human as Jesus Christ. The Father is in authority -and the Son is called such so we can understand their relationship -and how God loves his Son.
"Hell" is not as some people believe or teach.
While it is possible that some be completely destroyed in the lake of fire -Gehenna -and that it it can also be an unpleasantness of indefinite duration, that is not to say that will be what happens.
It is an ultimatum for those who deserve it or need it -but some will be corrected by it.
According to what is written in scripture, none are now in "hell" -except the grave -Hades/Sheol -their spirit having returned to God -unaware -awaiting resurrection. None are in Gehenna now.
(No man has ascended to heaven, either -except Christ -but that is another subject)
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
You cannot understand the scriptures by only taking one or two verses or statements alone .......
Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken
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What agenda do you think Outhouse has, other than he has an interest in religion? How is that an agenda? People can have interests in many things and that was one of the reasons I got into theology as nursing, for me, was missing a piece in the treatment of my patients, that being spirituality. I am not alone in that, as the newest nursing paradigm incorporates spirituality, which can and does include religion. Does that mean I have an agenda too?
Not really. I look at this from decades of study into the topic. There is no evidence that the Bible is anything more than a book written by men who had an agenda themselves. Furthermore, how would one prove that God wrote the Bible? Did God send it by fax and write it God's self? Instead of trying to justify that Jesus was God, I try to see the bigger picture.
It intimates the idea, yes. But then, ask yourself what was the point? What made the men who wrote the Bible, long after the death of this man btw, write what they did? What social influence was there? What moral influence? What historical influence? You are accepting the Bible at face value without asking the larger questions.
Because I like you so much, I did his work for you. Its just one chapter but reading it is almost comical.. Have a look...
http://www.askelm.com/star/star006.htm.
Sees
Dragonslayer
Hard to get past the first paragraph -
"...Jesus had been circumcised (Luke 2:21) and dedicated at the temple some forty days after his birth (Luke 2:22–24). He was then being called a paidion (toddler) and no longer a brephos (infant). When the Magi arrived, Jesus was already walking and was able to speak a few words as most normal children would be able to do when several months old..."
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Rubbish and childish.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
You "know". Go ahead then, prove it.
Yes. It would have to do as it follows an earlier divine-print
and that somehow discounts God??
My gnosis has a lot to do with everything and our origins. Just to make it clear, I don't have a problem with evolution, though I did say "everything" and that would mean the big bang also and whatever that then came from.