Ridiculous statement of Jesus?

[McBell]

All things are relative

proud of your hypocrisy?

 

[McBell]

Saying that God has a son is polytheism. .

To bad you do not speak for all things monotheist.
Or polytheist for that matter.
Are you claiming to speak for all Jews?

 

[viole]

1Co 1- For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart." Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Do you think the apostles, and everyone who thinks to have the truth revealed to them, has the mind of a little child?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Eileen]

Saying that God has a son is polytheism. No true Jew would give God partners. Jesus pbuh himself told the Jews that the most important commandment of all is: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one'.

I actually agree but the title 'son of God' had nothing to do with physical parenthood nor was it a term that elevated Yeshua to the same level as HaShem but it was and is a commonly understood phrase that indicated a special relationship with HaShem such as a prophet or in some cases a King in the Davidic line. The sages of Israel also recognized this title as one that applies to the Messiah. There is only one, unique, absolutely singular God-YHVH but He does call individual humans for His purposes and does have special relationships with them in order for them to accomplish His plan.

 

[Unification]

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Do you think the apostles, and everyone who thinks to have the truth revealed to them, has the mind of a little child?

Ciao

- viole

I would think so. The mind of a little child wouldn't be concerned with religions, deities, academia, theology, knowledge of useless crap that doesn't matter, that adults fuss and whine over. Their ignorance is bliss and I'm pretty sure that they don't give a damn about if they were created or evolved or both. Who is the most intelligent, rational, religious, theological, who is more credible and has better sources is for adult babies to goo goo gaga over and argue about to no avail and to strut useless non-beneficial egos and pride, defense and justification of habitat and their own image at all costs. Just full of imagination and creativity, and life as their own mind can do as it wants without the intellectual or religious mind police attacking and placing restrictions, rules on their own minds. Don't think they really give a damn about their credibility either.

 

[Thanda]

Jesus was a self realized man, he realized that he was One with God or the father, yes we all are, but he truly realized it from within, and until we truly realize that, then we are still in the carnal mind, in ignorance of our true identity. I believe that the hell fire is only a metaphor, those who live their whole life in ignorance will also be One with God, when the mind body organism is finished, then the Source or Consciousness, will still be there, it cannot go anywhere, it was always animating through the mind body, so in a way, death is the fire that dissolves the mind body leavening nothing but the Source of Consciousness, after all we are all One, and no one is higher than the other.

If we are all going to end up in the same place, why do we need to try to do good?

 

[psychoslice]

If we are all going to end up in the same place, why do we need to try to do good?

That's right, being good does nothing, we are all One in what is called God. God could never destroy himself, so there is no hell, that is a very childish belief.

 

[Thanda]

That's right, being good does nothing, we are all One in what is called God. God could never destroy himself, so there is no hell, that is a very childish belief.

So basically you are telling me good and evil does not exist?

Btw, where did you get this information that you have?

 

[psychoslice]

So basically you are telling me good and evil does not exist?

Btw, where did you get this information that you have?

Yes, there is no such thing as good and evil, and where did I get my information from, well the same place that everyone who expands in spiritual knowledge, those who wrote scriptures, that's where I get my information from. Now, where do you get yours from, second hand knowledge ??>

 

[Thanda]

This is not entirely true at all. The Christian faith does have an either/or scenario. Either you believe in the dogma or you're damned. And also, you compare being a child of a parent and then go on to state that because Jesus was the alleged son of God, he was God. You are not your father, nor your mother. You are an individual. The idea that Jesus was God is something I don't believe.

No you misunderstand his statement. What he is saying Jesus is "a" God because he is the Son of a God. Just like you are human because you are a son of humans.

 

[Thanda]

Yes, there is no such thing as good and evil, and where did I get my information from, well the same place that everyone who expands in spiritual knowledge, those who wrote scriptures, that's where I get my information from. Now, where do you get yours from, second hand knowledge ??>

I get my knowledge from God's revelations to me as well as the scriptures. I know that God does not speak useless words. So if he tells me to do something then there must be a reward for obeying and a punishment for disobeying. If that was not the case then God's words are useless and he himself is useless (since whether I believe in him or not, or follow him or not, makes no difference).

Do you believe in a useless God?

 

[Unification]

That's right, being good does nothing, we are all One in what is called God. God could never destroy himself, so there is no hell, that is a very childish belief.

I know that you know better than that.

 

[psychoslice]

I get my knowledge from God's revelations to me as well as the scriptures. I know that God does not speak useless words. So if he tells me to do something then there must be a reward for obeying and a punishment for disobeying. If that was not the case then God's words are useless and he himself is useless (since whether I believe in him or not, or follow him or not, makes no difference).

Do you believe in a useless God?

But how do you know that the scriptures that you believe in are actually God's words. you have no idea do you, you only have faith that the words are from God, and that is all you have, that also is nothing more than second hand knowledge, find your own inner knowledge, that is if you have the guts to.

 

[psychoslice]

I know that you know better than that.

Do you really, I don't think so.

 

[Thanda]

But how do you know that the scriptures that you believe in are actually God's words. you have no idea do you, you only have faith that the words are from God, and that is all you have, that also is nothing more than second hand knowledge, find your own inner knowledge, that is if you have the guts to.

So you completely missed the part where I said "From God's revelations to me"?

You still haven't answered my question though, what purpose does your God serve in your life? Or put in other words what benefit does your beliefs and all the hard work you have put into understanding God bring into your life since your destiny is unalterable according to your doctrine?

 

[psychoslice]

So you completely missed the part where I said "From God's revelations to me"?

You still haven't answered my question though, what purpose does your God serve in your life? Or put in other words what benefit does your beliefs and all the hard work you have put into understanding God bring into your life since your destiny is unalterable according to your doctrine?

I have no beliefs whatsoever, and I certainly don't believe in a god, I am free to believe in what I want, I am not under any stupid beliefs of good and evil, that, you can keep to yourself.

 

[Thanda]

I have no beliefs whatsoever, and I certainly don't believe in a god, I am free to believe in what I want, I am not under any stupid beliefs of good and evil, that, you can keep to yourself.

*Edit*. You told us we are one with God and God can't destroy himself. But apparently you don't even believe there is a God. So you were actually attempting to deceive people into abandoning following God since you have found it too difficult to get them to abandon believing in God.

In the words of Jesus: "Get behind me Satan!"

 

[psychoslice]

Oh so you're a liar. You told us we are one with God and God can't destroy himself. But apparently you don't even believe there is a God. So you were actually attempting to deceive people into abandoning following God since you have found it too difficult to get them to abandon believing in God.

In the words of Jesus: "Get behind me Satan!"

God which is an ugly word, to me is all there IS, he is not some man hiding out there is space, and yes I would like people see people abandoning their concepts of god, it would add so much peace to the earth, a thing that religion eats into and will destroy if we don't keep vigilant. Yes religion can be our downfall, after all there is so many idiots out there believing in all this crap.

 

[Thanda]

God which is an ugly word, to me is all there IS, he is not some man hiding out there is space, and yes I would like people see people abandoning their concepts of god, it would add so much peace to the earth, a thing that religion eats into and will destroy if we don't keep vigilant. Yes religion can be our downfall, after all there is so many idiots out there believing in all this crap.

I would believe you if there weren't murderous fools among every nation and culture in the world regardless of the presence of religion.

Warmongers will use every excuse under the sun to go to war. The ones in the US currently use "democracy" and "human rights" as their excuse for bombing and destabilising countries.

So the truth is human greed, pride and heartlessness are the driving forces behind a lack of peace in the word. And funny enough those are the very things most religions claim to be evil.

But not you of course. Nothing is evil or good according to you.

 

[JoStories]

Two Messiahs.

You have brought her up before and as I said then, most credible theologians reject her opinions as lacking any proof whatsoever. Stating that Jesus had four children, for one thing, would be the antithesis of what Christians believe. The Pesher technique is itself intriguing, insofar as it posits two levels of interpretation. That seems to intimate that most people have no real understanding of their own religion and I believe you would find that most would strongly disagree with you on that mark. And two messiahs? Really? Who do you posit are these two?[/QUOTE]

Matthew 26 and John 18 do not actually contradict -and only contradict if certain things are assumed -such as whether John 18 is a complete account of every last thing that happened -which may actually be an impossibility in any situation.

The kiss was not mentioned, but that does not mean the writer believed it did not happen -or it could be that the writer saw other things, but not the kiss, because he was simply looking at something else if he was present but otherwise focused at that very time.

He may have seen one thing -turned away -saw another -missed the kiss, etc...

It's not as if -in a commotion -every person is focused on one point of the commotion the whole time -which is pretty much the whole thing with a commotion.

He may not have deemed it important to specify that he kissed him -but merely wrote that Judas betrayed him.

It does not -in any way -state that he did not ever get close enough to kiss him -even if the writer describes two instances in the commotion where he was not close enough to kiss him.[/QUOTE]
You are assuming here that the writers were actually there as this occurred which most theologians do not agree with. The fact is that the gospels were written well after the fact and can be considered second hand knowledge at best. Whether or not one saw this and another saw that is moot to this. The books were written about 100 years or more beyond the life of the man called Jesus.