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Road to Hell
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Desert Snake
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Is no faith, and no good works, the road to hell?
i've heard it said that a tree is known by what it produces vs it's form(likeness).
i don't think you can have an action without consciousness involved. so no, without belief usually means the person won't act upon what they don't believe on. but you can still have a belief/faith and not act upon it.
they're usually called empty promises
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The road to faith and works is the way of 'To say yes or no is to be immobile on two feet. - paraphrased from the Bhagavad gita
It is not faith nor works, but sincerity in the journey,
It is not faith nor works, but sincerity in the journey,
arthra
Baha'i
I found an interesting reference from a Baha'i source that goes..
Man was therefore to taste what his own hands had wrought. He had refused to take the direct road leading him to his great destiny, through acceptance of the Promised One for this Day, and had chosen the long road, bitter, bloodstained, dark, literally leading him through hell, before he once again could near the goal originally placed at his finger tips for him to seize.
(BW - Baha'i World Volumes, Volume 13, p. 170)
Regarding "good works":
Have We any good works whereby defects shall be removed or which shall bring Us near unto the Lord of causes?
(Abdu'l-Baha, A Traveller's Narrative, p. 79)
Faith and belief do not mean the same thing but religious people don't know that. Faith is knowing God after hearing his voice speaking directly in your mind and each time God speaks into your mind, you know it's Him. Belief is something that all human beings experience but only a few have ever known what "faith" is such as us servants called prophets and saints.
Those of us with faith are forced to obey ALL of God's commands until we're used to write or speak for Him to His chosen believers. A chosen believer hasn't heard the voice of God speaking directly into their mind but they hear His voice called the gospel of God that us faithful servants preach to them. The voice of God that we servants hear speaking into our mind is the gospel of God.
Galations 3
8: And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."
Abraham experienced "faith" at the moment he first heard God's voice.
Many servants after Abraham experienced "faith" and ended up speaking and writing for God.
Mark 1
14: Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15: and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel."
1 Thessolonians 1
4: For we know, brethren beloved by God, that he has chosen you;
5: for our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.
II Thesalonians 2:
13: But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
14: To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 John 4
4: Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
5: They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them.
6: We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
This realm is the road to Hell according to most religions globally, and most people are on it, with many being in denial of the facts.
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Faith means to trust, thus that isn't a problem...
It is that many have a shoddy belief structure, that doesn't add up, and they call that faith; when really they're untrusting doubters with many underlying issues.
Good works or good karma, is that our actions in all parts of life are as righteous as possible; due to the language barriers, this has slowly devolved into meaning doing a few charitable acts, instead of being a righteous kind caring person at all times.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
Didn't Jesus mention that it's preferable for someone to say "no" and then do the good work anyway rather than saying "yes" and then not doing anything?
If we are judged as we judge, how can someone be judged for something immoral if they don't believe it? I realize that's a huge problem, but Jesus loved to give advice that has issues when you try to flesh it out ...
Um, not everyone is deaf to the divine. FYI.
But with a little spit and shine and some elbow grease and a few more AC units, Hell can be quite lovely this time of year.
When God gives you Hell, become a fire fighter.
That's right. Only those who are chosen will hear His ( God ) voice ( the gospel ) that I preach to them. Only a few chosen believers have actually heard His voice speaking directly into their minds but only enough to choose them as one of His believers. They aren't used as servants so He doesn't take them through the justification process to prepare them to be a servant to testify to the knowledge called Christ.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
If I can talk to God, what do I need you for?
Anyone can talk to God but most people who do that have never heard His voice speaking commands in their mind like all us servants experienced during this temporary generation.