Rohani becomes Iran’s new president

[LuisDantas]

Yes. When Atheists speak positively about new Muslim Presidents, that's just a great and wonderful post to read.

This is a Muslim President who knows the Koran, knows the Koranic law, and recognises how a real 'head-count' majority of his people wish Iran to be in the future.

Excellent ........... I feel like clapping!

Thanks. But really, it is not like I had much of a realistic choice.

For all that sometimes I see statements about Iran not being a true Islamic country, I don't think I could reasonably hope for a non-Muslim to be elected its President.

I hold no delusions about the influence of Shia Imams in Iran. They are and will remain being very influential indeed in the foreseeable future. But that is no reason to take as a premise that the choice of President is "inconsequential".

It is probably not a radical, sudden change of political climate, but history does not make me want radical, sudden changes in Iran. My gut feeling is that those people went through too much forceful change already for anyone's good, and they need some time and space to make their own choices and allow their mistrust and hatred to heal.

Would I prefer Iran to be less Muslim? Perhaps. Or maybe I just want it to feel less hatred and mistrust. But that is a very accademical question. Iran is what it is and it must find its own path regardless of my preferences.

 

[oldbadger]

Thanks. But really, it is not like I had much of a realistic choice.

For all that sometimes I see statements about Iran not being a true Islamic country, I don't think I could reasonably hope for a non-Muslim to be elected its President.

I hold no delusions about the influence of Shia Imams in Iran. They are and will remain being very influential indeed in the foreseeable future. But that is no reason to take as a premise that the choice of President is "inconsequential".

It is probably not a radical, sudden change of political climate, but history does not make me want radical, sudden changes in Iran. My gut feeling is that those people went through too much forceful change already for anyone's good, and they need some time and space to make their own choices and allow their mistrust and hatred to heal.

Would I prefer Iran to be less Muslim? Perhaps. Or maybe I just want it to feel less hatred and mistrust. But that is a very accademical question. Iran is what it is and it must find its own path regardless of my preferences.

All of above. Of course..............!:yes:

I am most hopeful because a majority of voters have elected this President. Would that this be the case in every country.......

Let's see how Iran communicates with the rest of the World now...?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I will keep that in mind. And it will most certainly help informing my own stance about Israel.

I have no reason to suspect that your "stance on Israel" will be any more informed than your stance on Iran.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I hold no delusions about the influence of Shia Imams in Iran. They are and will remain being very influential indeed in the foreseeable future. But that is no reason to take as a premise that the choice of President is "inconsequential".

No on is suggesting that the vote is inconsequential, but that is a far cry from pontificating about how it "is certainly a step in the direction of a secular government". But nice job moving the goalposts.

 

[LuisDantas]

I have no reason to suspect that your "stance on Israel" will be any more informed than your stance on Iran.

I guessed as much. Thanks for sparing me the assumption.


You must be kidding, accusing me of moving the goalposts.

In any case, you are certainly confirming my previous judgement.

 

[Shia Islam]

Someone who was voted for after the "Supreme Leader" gave his ok for him to stand for election.


Quite funny actually. A bit like the roman principate and how Augustus fooled the people how the republic was still alive.

Your are assuming that all of the Iranian institutions are sham,
And the Iranian people who have removed a brutal dictator supported by the evil powers of of the world have no say in the policies of their country...

If it's not for you clear bias and hatred toward Iran and maybe also toward their chosen system, I would have elaborated more and would have proved that the Iranian supreme leader is among the most popular leaders in the world...

 

[Flankerl]

Why have i never met a single shia muslim on the internet who doesnt think that the Supreme Leader is the best thing since sliced bread?

 

[Assad91]

Why have i never met a single shia muslim on the internet who doesnt think that the Supreme Leader is the best thing since sliced bread?

Why have I never met a single zionist on the internet who doesn't think Netanyahu is the best thing since siced bred? Along with finding humor in rockets falling through Palestinian houses and killing a baby?

 

[dust1n]

Someone who was voted for after the "Supreme Leader" gave his ok for him to stand for election.

Quite funny actually. A bit like the roman principate and how Augustus fooled the people how the republic was still alive.

Let's not make it simplistic. The "Supreme Leader" is elected by the "Assembly of Experts" who serve 8 year terms and are voted in by the Iranian people.

Not a big fan of theocracy, but there is no reason to pretend like the Supreme Leader isn't capable of being voted down by the people via the Assembly of Experts (at least theoretically, as set out by the Iranian constitution). Whatever de facto state results I'm sure is quite different.

 

[dust1n]

Not to mention, I find insulting people who are incorrect, as opposed to correcting them, to be rather ineffective, lazy, and, like mentioned, "useless."

 

[Flankerl]

Let's not make it simplistic. The "Supreme Leader" is elected by the "Assembly of Experts" who serve 8 year terms and are voted in by the Iranian people.

Not a big fan of theocracy, but there is no reason to pretend like the Supreme Leader isn't capable of being voted down by the people via the Assembly of Experts (at least theoretically, as set out by the Iranian constitution). Whatever de facto state results I'm sure is quite different.

lol the Assembly of Experts is entirely made up by the clerics who then elect a cleric as supreme leader.

The people have no say on the matter as only one clique can be voted into the Assembly of Experts.

Why have I never met a single zionist on the internet who doesn't think Netanyahu is the best thing since siced bred? Along with finding humor in rockets falling through Palestinian houses and killing a baby?

You are still butthurt about the Hamas rocket that hit a village in the Westbank are you?

Which is still quite funny.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

From Aljazeera

President-elect Hassan Rouhani has expressed hope that Iran can reach a new agreement with Western powers over its disputed nuclear programme, saying a deal should be reached through more transparency and mutual trust.

"The idea is to engage in more active negotiations with the 5+1, as the nuclear issue cannot be resolved without negotiations," Rouhani said on Monday, referring to the UN Security Council's five permanent members plus Germany.

During his first press conference since being declared winner of Iran's presidential election on Saturday, Rouhani also described as unfair and unjustified US and EU sanctions imposed against the Islamic Republic over the nuclear issue.

But Rouhani also ruled out a halt to his country's controversial enrichment of uranium. "This period is over," Rouhani said, referring to international demands for an end to the programme.

There were "many ways to build trust" with the West, he added, as Iran would be "more transparent to show that its activities fall within the framework of international rules".

"Our nuclear programmes are completely transparent. But we are ready to show greater transparency and make clear for the whole world that the steps of the Islamic Republic of Iran are completely within international frameworks," he said.

< -- snip -- >​

On Monday UN nuclear agency chief told the Reuters news agency that Iran was making "steady progress" in expanding its nuclear programme despite international sanctions.

Yukiya Amano, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), also said he remained committed to dialogue with Iran to address concerns of possible military dimensions to its nuclear activity.

But no new meeting had yet been set after 10 rounds of talks since early 2012, he said.

Meanwhile, UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said it hoped the new Iranian government would make efforts to reach a negotiated settlement on its nuclear programme following Rouhani’s election.

Hague said efforts to reach a settlement would be met "in good faith" by Britain, adding that Iran should not doubt British resolve to prevent nuclear proliferation.

 

[dust1n]

lol the Assembly of Experts is entirely made up by the clerics who then elect a cleric as supreme leader.

The people have no say on the matter as only one clique can be voted into the Assembly of Experts.

Right... and to add to the sketchiness, the Guardian council vets the candidates, which the Supreme Leader and 6 judges, (whom I think are appointed by the head jurist and the Supreme Leader himself).

Obviously rife with corruption... as I imagine any theocracy would be despite how said constitution is made.

I guess obviously the Iranian people thought it might have turned out better then when the Allied (Well, pre-America) powers reinstating a monarchy during the war), some dynastic ruling for... centuries and centuries (I'm not even sure how long).

The point is, I just wanted to clarify that the Supreme Leader isn't quite a dictator. He obviously has his country's political class to answer to.

 

[Assad91]

You are still butthurt about the Hamas rocket that hit a village in the Westbank are you?

Which is still quite funny.

Oh, see, Israelis and their supporters find the conflict and dying babies "quite funny".

No wonder they keep it going. They find it entertaining.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Oh, see, Israelis and their supporters find the conflict and dying babies "quite funny".

No wonder they keep it going. They find it entertaining.

Pretty sick distortion, Assad.

 

[Assad91]

Pretty sick distortion, Assad.

What distortion?

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Actually that did not read like a distortion of her comment.

 

[xkatz]

I think we need an Israel-Palestine debate thread.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

There are countless of those, this is SUPPOSED to be about Iran and her new President

 

[YmirGF]

There are countless of those, this is SUPPOSED to be about Iran and her new President

I'd change that to read, puppet, rather than President - but that's just me. Allahua akbar, eh?