Rolemodels for gay people

[exchemist]

You dont understand me. I mean socialist influence is bad. They USE gays to spread socialist authoritarianism. Its more socialism that itself is bad here.

Just to make it clear. So you can understand. Being gay is fine. But using socialist influence to create bad value system is not. Do you understand the difference here?

OK I understand you have nothing against gays. No doubt some of your best friends are gay....

But I don't follow your point about gays - or the gay rights issue in society, perhaps - being used to promote a socialist authoritarian agenda. How does that manifest itself in Norway, in your opinion?

 

[Lars]

OK I understand you have nothing against gays. No doubt some of your best friends are gay....

But I don't follow your point about gays - or the gay rights issue in society, perhaps - being used to promote a socialist authoritarian agenda. How does that manifest itself in Norway, in your opinion?

By definition. Norwegians are tolerant of gays.

 

[exchemist]

By definition. Norwegians are tolerant of gays.

OK but what about my question?

 

[Lars]

From the little have seen of his posts here so far, it would surprise me if he was not from the political Right in Norway (example it could be a political party called FRP)

I used to be. But i got more informed. So i am not that anymore. But you guesses right actually. I plan on voting for Center Party which i guess in USA would be Libertarian party. Other than that i have voted for "Labour party (Social democrat)" before that

 

[Lars]

OK but what about my question?

Well here is the thing. I support gay rights just as any human rights. But there is a difference between acceptance and going pantless in public.

Basically gay acceptance is this

Not this

 

[Magic Man]

Well here is the thing. I support gay rights just as any human rights. But there is a difference between acceptance and going pantless in public.

Basically gay acceptance is this

Not this

Do you only object to LGBTQ+ people dressing like that? Do you object to heterosexual drag queens? Do you also object to straight people wearing gym clothes in public or short shorts or bikinis? Because the people in this photo are no different from them. There is one main difference that seems to be making the difference for you, though...

 

[Father Heathen]

I think he means societal influence, not socialism.

You're too generous. He is using the U.S. conservative definition of "socialism", i.e. anything they don't like or understand.

 

[Father Heathen]

Usually when someone obsesses over homosexuality, they're struggling over something within themselves.

 

[Lars]

Do you only object to LGBTQ+ people dressing like that? Do you object to heterosexual drag queens? Do you also object to straight people wearing gym clothes in public or short shorts or bikinis? Because the people in this photo are no different from them. There is one main difference that seems to be making the difference for you, though...

I just mean the whole thing itself is bad. Its assosiated with Gay Pride though (if you can refer me to straight pride doing this then i will condemn that too). I am not a party crasher or anything. If you wanna make a crazy memorable party thats one thing though. But a public celebration day.... could kinda be a little more serious, i dont know about you?. You dont really see "International Women`s Day" with tits out. Just saying

 

[Lars]

Usually when someone obsesses over homosexuality, they're struggling over something within themselves.

Well i am bisexual "leans mostly towards chicks". So you cant really say i have anything to hide there

But being insecure isnt a bad thing, it prevents you from mistakes. As in not falling of a cliff is one of them. Being too cowardly is bad however

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Well i am bisexual "leans mostly towards chicks". So you cant really say i have anything to hide there

Side question because I'm not sure how to tackle the OP subject: So if the right guy came along, you'd consider a relationship with them?

 

[Father Heathen]

Well i am bisexual "leans mostly towards chicks". So you cant really say i have anything to hide there

But being insecure isnt a bad thing, it prevents you from mistakes. As in not falling of a cliff is one of them. Being too cowardly is bad however

You also claim to be from Norway, but you spin a narrative that's practically exclusive to the backwater U.S.

 

[Lars]

You also claim to be from Norway, but you spin a narrative that's practically exclusive to the backwater U.S.

I just am not a NPC is all. I dont believe in authoritarian mentality. I dont want to fake being something i am not. Like they do in the world of Matrix.
Or this scene is what i am thinking of. But i dont use elitist definitions like "backwater" to refer to opposition

the thing is, free speech isnt really what we have, its "ochlocratic speech" mob rule. Western world is mainly ruled by an elite of a mob. So its false advertising. See, free speech would mean you can be on the opposition with no problem and good ideas would win by debating or talking to people... Yeah thats not happening

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

You also claim to be from Norway, but you spin a narrative that's practically exclusive to the backwater U.S.

I've noticed this happen a lot on the forum. I'm willing to give him a benefit of a doubt he's from Norway, however it's just like the modern American Right is so influential, it creates extremes in people countries over.

 

[Father Heathen]

I just am not a NPC is all. I dont believe in authoritarian mentality. I dont want to fake being something i am not. Like they do in the world of Matrix.

You regurgitate what you've been spoonfed, forgoing objective observation and critical thought. Sounds like an NPC to me.

the thing is, free speech isnt really what we have, its "ochlocratic speech" mob rule. Western world is mainly ruled by an elite of a mob. So its false advertising. See, free speech would mean you can be on the opposition with no problem and good ideas would win by debating or talking to people... Yeah thats not happening

Exactly where and how do you see free speech being suppressed? I see facts and logic crushing dopey gobbledygook via free and open discourse all of the time.

 

[Father Heathen]

I've noticed this happen a lot on the forum. I'm willing to give him a benefit of a doubt he's from Norway, however it's just like the modern American Right is so influential, it creates extremes in people countries over.

But their education systems aren't supposed to be failing like ours.

 

[Left Coast]

Well here is the thing. I support gay rights just as any human rights. But there is a difference between acceptance and going pantless in public.

Basically gay acceptance is this

Not this

They are both gay (and more broadly LGBTQ) acceptance actually. Gender nonconformity in dress is part of what it means to accept gay people and others in our community, who are routinely gender nonconforming, and have been since a young age. This was true of myself as well.

What you're saying here is that the only gays you accept are ones who fit your version of gender conformity. The question you should ask yourself is...why? Why do drag queens make you so incredibly uncomfortable? Why are our society's rules of what men and women should look like so important to you? Do you think they are dogmas written in stone that never change?

 

[Lars]

They are both gay (and more broadly LGBTQ) acceptance actually. Gender nonconformity in dress is part of what it means to accept gay people and others in our community, who are routinely gender nonconforming, and have been since a young age. This was true of myself as well.

What you're saying here is that the only gays you accept are ones who fit your version of gender conformity. The question you should ask yourself is...why? Why do drag queens make you so incredibly uncomfortable? Why are our society's rules of what men and women should look like so important to you? Do you think they are dogmas written in stone that never change?

Has nothing to do with that. Tell me. Would you like a half naked guy visiting you? If you answer no then you will understand it.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Tell me. Would you like a half naked guy visiting you?

*Looks at person being quoted*

I'm not going to say anything.

 

[Left Coast]

Has nothing to do with that. Tell me. Would you like a half naked guy visiting you? If you answer no then you will understand it.

Depending on the half naked guy...yes.

Men go half naked in our society all the time. Ever been to a pool or beach?