Romans 14:2

[may]

Fortunately,

times change, and the gospel keeps up with changing attitudes. Look at Paul's teaching about hair or women. They fit in FINE for the day, but were never meant to become a rule for eternity. Things change: thats why there is the "Old Testament" and the "New Testament". Only God is immune from change and I praise him that he is far more flexible than anyone today: Flexible on matters of opinion, but a hard liner on our need to love him and others.

but hair was not a nesseary thing in acts 15;28-29

 

[may]

Um, you didn't do what I asked. Can you stop, look at where you are, and describe that? More importantly: feel where you are. And don't worry, it cannot be expressed. That's ok. :clap just subtract the one hand

not really interested in that ,i am only interested in being obedient to God , to make light of Gods requirments is never a good thing for those who claim to be christians. i am not saying that you claim to be a christian , but as we are discussing the bible which is Gods word to us and is for christians to take note of .

 

[may]

Well, to me, letters written by Paul and others of that time period was written to those then and not us now. They were written to those then that were already observing and studying the Truth in it's entirety. That being the first 5 books. The Truth, The whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. Again it's just me but I also follow the way of the Saints as described in:

KJV –

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

and also –

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It is the understanding that I have acquired that we are still under most of the Law. The only parts that would have been dismissed by the blood of the lamb would have been just that. Any Law that would have demanded a blood sacrifice. This is written and up-held by Scriptures.

KJV –

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

We are all still here. The earth and the heavens are still here.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I would be very careful about telling and teaching others what Laws not to follow.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I don't want to say that the ones that spent time with YAHshua didn't know what to do because I believe that they did exactly as they were taught by Him that was sent. Even YAHshua Himself observed all the Law as commanded by His Father. What are we to do? Follow what YAHshua and His Disciples taught or that which others added in Gentile areas of the world by those that we're influenced primarily by pagan rituals and beliefs.

Like I said, it's just me, but I think I'll stick to both the Law and the Faith. No piggy for me. :tsk:

i think that the things in Acts 15;28-29 were for christians they were followers of Jesus christ and the information given was sent to all of the congregations of followers of christ , when you mention blood sacrifices , this is refering to the animal sacrifices that Gods people no longer have to do, as we all know that Jesus is the altimate sacrifice
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life...john 3;16

The animal sacrifices offered under the Mosaic law arrangement merely foreshadowed the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ. At Hebrews 10:1-4 this is made plain.... but again the nessasary things still apply as always.
"Flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat."—Gen. 9:4.

As for the believers from among the nations, we have sent out, rendering our decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood and what is strangled and from fornication...acts 21;25

 

[wmam]

i think that the things in Acts 15;28-29 were for christians they were followers of Jesus christ and the information given was sent to all of the congregations of followers of christ , when you mention blood sacrifices , this is refering to the animal sacrifices that Gods people no longer have to do, as we all know that Jesus is the altimate sacrifice
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life...john 3;16

The animal sacrifices offered under the Mosaic law arrangement merely foreshadowed the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ. At Hebrews 10:1-4 this is made plain.... but again the nessasary things still apply as always.
"Flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat."—Gen. 9:4.

As for the believers from among the nations, we have sent out, rendering our decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood and what is strangled and from fornication...acts 21;25

See the way you put it one would believe that what I posted from Rev. as well as most of the book of James and other places through out the New Testament should be not adhered to if all anyone is suppose to do is those few items that you posted from Acts. We have to remember that these books had yet to be written. When the Disciples spoke of, as well as YAHshua, what had been written they were speaking of the Old Testament books. Sounds like a contradiction when you have the Son, YAHshua Himself, saying what He did about not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from the Law and then you quote from Acts saying that the only Law to observe is these few. I would be very skeptical about that way of thinking myself.

 

[Scuba Pete]

May,

Consider this:

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. NIV

Again, the Apostles were figuring out this "only two laws" deal their entire lives. Their writings reflect this continued revelation which is wonderful for us to learn from.

 

[may]

See the way you put it one would believe that what I posted from Rev. as well as most of the book of James and other places through out the New Testament should be not adhered to if all anyone is suppose to do is those few items that you posted from Acts. We have to remember that these books had yet to be written. When the Disciples spoke of, as well as YAHshua, what had been written they were speaking of the Old Testament books. Sounds like a contradiction when you have the Son, YAHshua Himself, saying what He did about not one jot nor one tittle shall pass from the Law and then you quote from Acts saying that the only Law to observe is these few. I would be very skeptical about that way of thinking myself.

well no i did not say that , but most people forget the necesseray things that was the point i was making really ,love af God and neigbour also would have to be included as we all know

 

[may]

May,

Consider this:

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. NIV

Again, the Apostles were figuring out this "only two laws" deal their entire lives. Their writings reflect this continued revelation which is wonderful for us to learn from.

this is the point ,christians do not partake in all of these festivals and things so they should not be judged for it ,it does not need to be observed there is no need

 

[Scuba Pete]

It doesn't prohibit them from having fun either. Christmas and Halloween come to mind on that one!

But the point was the "eat or drink" part.

 

[wmam]

well no i did not say that , but most people forget the necesseray things that was the point i was making really ,love af God and neigbour also would have to be included as we all know

O.k. ............ My mistake. But if you are not saying this then what are you saying? Are you saying what is or isn't necessary by only posting what you find to be necessary? As far as the Dietary Laws, I find no where that it states that these Laws are not to be followed. What I have found is Scripture that talks on the use of foods and drinks when it pertains to those that are already following the Dietary Law's. Once you have started obeying the Father and withhold yourself from such unclean things then do not let it bother you what others do or say about your choice. You also have to take in account that man added alot of rules and so forth that YAH never commanded so the Disciples were showing the flock that they should be careful of such things and also those that bring false teachings. The Disciples were not stumbling on anything. They taught as they were instructed by the Spirit of Elohim. No mortal man has anything to say but by the Spirit. There is no cause for all this enduring arguing amongst ourselves other than it be of the Devil. You either will or you won't, do or you don't, the will of YAH. Nothing is new under the sun. The New Testament didn't show anything new that wasn't already in the Old. If anything the New Proves the Old. The New helps with understanding the Old and instructs one on the Old but it doesn't abolish the Old. It upholds it. One cannot understand the New without the Old. You don't buy a movie at the store only to bring it home and fast forward it to the end. You start at the beginning. Remember that the New wasn't even around back then. It hadn't been written yet. They studied and followed the Old but did not do the blood sacrifices. They, at the time, still upheld the Temple Law's and that of the Tithing Laws with food and grain as well as any freewill offerings. This was continued as they could until the destruction of the Temple or at least to where it was unsafe to go there because of the Romans. We just have to remember that these things were written to those already following the Way. The Truth. he Word. That being from the Father. Remember ......... anyone can say this or that. Anyone can say "I have the Spirit and the Spirit say's this or that." I say if the Spirit be speaking then there would be no stumble on what is said. It would be this or that and no arguments. I say there wasn't any arguments except that of those that would rather have things suit them and the way they would want them. To make life better on them and their way of life. To have things go in such a way that would not make them the laughing stock of their neighbors being that it would mean to follow the right Way would mean to be totally different than that of their neighbors paganistic rituals. They would be scoffed at and made fun of. Hey look at it this way........ The Gentiles are the ones that killed off most if not all of the Disciples. Now the Gentiles can change things the way they see fit to follow and worship as they see fit. And they did. The Truth still stands though and no matter how much anyone tries to tear it down or discredit it, it will still stand.