Root of the problem

[Jimmy]

That is somewhat an oversimplification. As it noted, Ishamael produced a dozen princes. When the descendants of Abraham returned, they pushed out much of the inhabitants or descendants of Ishmael.

The word “Palestine”, if I am not mistaken, is the name that the Romans gave to spite the Jewish people of the time period around 135 BC.

So what you’re saying is the Jews have been pushing out the Palestinians since the time of Ishmael?

 

[Kenny]

So what you’re saying is the Jews have been pushing out the Palestinians since the time of Ishmael?

No. (unless that is what you want to think).

You asked for the root or the beginning or the genesis.

the first real war was when Israel took over the land.

Obviously, in between, the Greeks took it, Media/Persia took it, Romans took it… but, apparently, the war continues between two groups that are relatid.

 

[Jimmy]

No. (unless that is what you want to think).

You asked for the root or the beginning or the genesis.

the first real war was when Israel took over the land.

Obviously, in between, the Greeks took it, Media/Persia took it, Romans took it… but, apparently, the war continues between two groups that are relatid.

Related?

 

[muhammad_isa]

Basically, Ismael was rejected as the firstborn and throw out with her mom..

..not quite.
Ismael was NOT rejected by his father .. nor his mother.
Abraham, peace be with him, thought it best to separate his wives, because they didn't get on.
It all started when the wife who thought she couldn't have a child, did have one. Isaac.

 

[Kenny]

Related?

Well… you made it sound like that Israel was always pushing the descendants of Ishmael out. The answer to that specific point would be “no”. The people of Israel was first pushed out by Nebuchadnezzar. and have been conquered and continuously pushed around since then by multiple nations.

Now we are back to square one. The Israeli’s would just like a small portion that they can call their own.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The UN could have prevented what happened on October 7 and more. It could have prevented so much bad news in that area of the world..

That's absurd. When Trump was in govt. , he overode any advice from the UN.
He arranged with Israel for its capital to be moved from Tel-aviv to Jerusalem.

Quelle surprise what that led to!

We're all being hoodwinked, imo.

 

[Jimmy]

Guess nobody knows

 

[Kenny]

..not quite.
Ismael was NOT rejected by his father .. nor his mother.
Abraham, peace be with him, thought it best to separate his wives, because they didn't get on.
It all started when the wife who thought she couldn't have a child, did have one. Isaac.

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Gen 21:14 So Abraham got up early in the morning and took bread and a skin of water, and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder, and gave her the boy, and sent her away. And she departed and wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.
15 When the water in the skin was used up, she left the boy under one of the bushes. 16 Then she went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away, for she said, “May I not see the boy die!” And she sat opposite him, and (A)raised her voice and wept.

Yes, Abraham who was very rich in camels cattle, sheep, servant etc, as a loving father, sent his wife and son with water and bread. No camels, no money no hope.

I don’t know what you define as rejected, but this comes pretty close IMV.

 

[PureX]

To understand who’s to blame for this conflict in the Middle East one has to figure out the root of the problem. Does anyone here know who started this mess over a century ago? Or is that too complex too?

Even if we knew it wouldn't make any difference. The solution will not be found in the fault. And in fact it's exactly that kind of thinking that perpetuates the conflict, endlessly.

The solution can only come from letting go of the whole 'who's at fault' issue and then seeking compromise. Everyone has to let go of the past and be willing to give up some of what they want in the present to find a way to live together. And these ongoing acts of vengeance only make that impossible.

 

[Kenny]

Even if we knew it would make no difference. The solution will not be found in the fault. And in fact it's exactly that kind of thinking that perpetuates the conflict, endlessly.

The solution can only come from letting go of the whole 'who's at fault' issue and then seeking compromise. Everyone has to let go of the past and be willing to give up some of what they want in the present to find a way to live together. And these ongoing acts of vengeance only make that impossible.

There is truth here

 

[Jimmy]

Even if we knew it wouldn't make any difference. The solution will not be found in the fault. And in fact it's exactly that kind of thinking that perpetuates the conflict, endlessly.

The solution can only come from letting go of the whole 'who's at fault' issue and then seeking compromise. Everyone has to let go of the past and be willing to give up some of what they want in the present to find a way to live together. And these ongoing acts of vengeance only make that impossible.

I agree. Same as don’t blame the son for the sins of the father. Nevertheless, someone’s to blame.