Well that's not entirely true. People can buy healthcare here too as I stated a few posts back. It's not a perfect system, but it works pretty well. We don't have to worry about not being able to be seen in a clinic for example, because everyone has healthcare. Do you have that?
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Rush Limbaugh Believes the Poor Don't Deserve Healthcare
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
What kind of first world country doesn't have free public health care for its citizens?
If people want better health care they should be able to pay for it, thats how it works here and most other first world countries.
People struggling should not be denied health care because they can't afford it.
If people want better health care they should be able to pay for it, thats how it works here and most other first world countries.
People struggling should not be denied health care because they can't afford it.
Joe_Stocks
Back from the Dead
Hi challupa,
If people can buy their own healthcare in countries with socialized healthcare, then why were Canadians coming to Detroit for healthcare?
If people can buy their own healthcare in countries with socialized healthcare, then why were Canadians coming to Detroit for healthcare?
Joe_Stocks
Back from the Dead
Hi xkatz,
Why do people hate this? It makes no sense for a person with a chronic conditon to purchase health insurance. You would be buying healthcare. Healthcare and health insurance are two different things. All a person with a pre-existing condition is doing is asking the insurance company to pay their medical bills. But that is not insurance.
Why do people hate this? It makes no sense for a person with a chronic conditon to purchase health insurance. You would be buying healthcare. Healthcare and health insurance are two different things. All a person with a pre-existing condition is doing is asking the insurance company to pay their medical bills. But that is not insurance.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
And what about the people who have conditions that have nothing to do with the care they're trying to get? What about the people who already have insurance, but are denied by that company the care they need because of a completely unrelated condition?
Joe_Stocks
Back from the Dead
Hi mball,
What about them?
What about them?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
They are one of the main reasons people hate the whole "pre-existing condition" thing.
Joe_Stocks
Back from the Dead
I already addressed the issue then. Unfortunately the federal government has made it illegal for someone to purchase health insurance across state lines. Not only that but many states force insurance companies to offer the same price regardless of the risk (called 'community rating'). So, maybe if the insurance companies were allowed to compete and offer cheap plans to people with little risk of getting sick then maybe the pre-existing problem could be addressed.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
and why do americans go both to mexico & canada? will mysteries never end?
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
& maybe unicorns will fly out of my ***.......would that be a pre-existing condition?
Mr Spinkles
Mr
He accused Captain Kirk of implying health care had some "moral superiority" over other things, like having "a house on the beach" vs. living in a "bungalow".
The crew of the Starship Enterprise may feel differently, but in my opinion, and in the opinion of a strong majority of Americans (indeed, humans in the world) there is indeed a "moral superiority" as Mr. Limbaugh described.
Of course, nothing Rush Limbaugh says can be regarded as serious. As Mr. Limbaugh explains in this surprisingly candid interview, "I believe people turn on the radio to be entertained, to be entertained, to be entertained." He goes on to explain how this is done and how he is amazed people continue to "fall for it".
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Could you please explain the exact federal law that makes this illegal? Why do Aetna and Blue Cross Blue Shield offer plans in any state in the Union on their websites (to take just two examples) if it is "illegal for someone to purchase health insurance across state lines"?Joe Stocks said:
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Um...no, you didn't. That's why I brought it up. Those groups of people weren't part of your rant about the subject.
Maybe you should go back and read again.
Jackytar
Ex-member
The Canadian government has effectively discouraged a private health care system from emerging alongside of the public one. This is called "two tier" in countries that have it, like England.
Jackytar
Jackytar
Ex-member
It's happening here too, Joe. Americans not getting pain killers, American patients treated in hallways - or not at all, Americans going to India, Singapore, Mexico and elsewhere for affordable health care.
Joe, may I ask... how do you pay for your health care?
Jackytar
Cheaper? Quicker? I don't know that answer. I do know that healthcare can be bought here because it is all the time. You don't think non emergency procedures done on politicians and athletes have the same length of waiting time as regular people do you? Not in my experience anyway. So healthcare can be bought here like anywhere, it's done all the time. The difference I see is that I don't have to (as a normal citizen) pay to go to a clinic or hospital to receive healthcare and the healthcare quality is the same as if I bought it. The exception is procedures that are not emergency. They do have waiting lists because there are lots of people and not enough resources. However, these resources are still free and available to anyone.
Yes there is quite a debate here about that right now. However, there are private clinics all over the place and people are paying to get MRI's right away etc. Like I stated in my post to Joe, we all know there is already a "two tier" system in Canada because I can assure you athletes do not wait for procedures nor do politicians and people with lots of money. It's just the way it is. However, I also get great healthcare and it's free. It's not perfect, but it does work pretty good.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
And if they can't afford to pay to help the chronic condition..?
I mean, medical care is expensive! If someone is suffering chronically, they probably will not be able to afford the care they require (unless rich), especially if the condition keeps them from working.
Yes it kind of reminds me of Scrouge in the Christmas Carol, "are there not poor houses, are there not prisons"........ Insurance companies do not seem to be in the business of helping people out. I have heard so many horror stories of people who have paid into insurance for years and then been told when something happens, there is some reason why they aren't eligible. In fact, just the other day a 77 year old man we know was refused car insurance from the insurance company he had dealt with for years. The reason "you haven't had an accident for too long and you are statistically due to have one so we won't insure you any longer". Now in my mind, that should be illegal. He has to get insurance somewhere else now. Boggles the mind what they get away with.
I do realize that they need to be prudent or they wouldn't be able to help when there is a claim, but there is too much bogus stuff going on that just is not in the insured's best interests.