Russia Proposes ‘Extremist’ Label for LGBT, Feminist, Child-Free Movements

[Debater Slayer]

I completely approve. Russia isn’t about to bow to wokeness and let its culture be turned upside down. Russia will preserve what Russia is.

How I envy their leadership.

Meanwhile, many right-wingers in the U.S. harp on the "free speech" chord when they disagree with something. I guess free speech is only a virtue to such people when it agrees with their beliefs.

Although I highly suspect your frequent support for draconian laws in other countries is primarily intended to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian or to simply be provocative, in which case I think dismissing it as such is the best thing to do.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Good.

Labeling LGBT people "extremists" for natural, healthy orientations or identities is good? How so?

 

[Rival]

Labeling LGBT people "extremists" for natural, healthy orientations or identities is good? How so?

I just find it good that Russia is trying to preserve its conservative cultural values. To many of us, the LGBT stuff has gone further than acceptance and is bordering on becoming a cult. It's good that Russia is saying it doesn't want this. To many, the LGBT movement has become extreme.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I just find it good that Russia is trying to preserve its conservative cultural values. To many of us, the LGBT stuff has gone further than acceptance and is bordering on becoming a cult. It's good that Russia is saying it doesn't want this. To many, the LGBT movement has become extreme.

That's not what Russia has been doing with LGBT people, though. It has been actively persecuting them and supporting torture of gay men in Chechnya by way of its endorsement of Chechnya's president. Do you support this at all?

To many people, your beliefs would also constitute extremism. Same for mine. I don't think they should have the power to prosecute us for our beliefs, however, especially not under such a nebulous pretense as "preserving conservative cultural values."

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I completely approve. Russia isn’t about to bow to wokeness and let its culture be turned upside down. Russia will preserve what Russia is.

How I envy their leadership.

I am always amazed at how facism appeals to people.

 

[Rival]

That's not what Russia has been doing with LGBT people, though. It has been actively persecuting them and supporting torture of gay men in Chechnya by way of its endorsement of Chechnya's president. Do you support this at all?

To many people, your beliefs would also constitute extremism. Same for mine. I don't think they should have the power to prosecute us for our beliefs, however, especially not under such a nebulous pretense as "preserving conservative cultural values."

I thought Chechnya is essentially its own thing.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

To many, the LGBT movement has become extreme.

Different cultures often feel "extreme" to those who may not be a part of them. In a free society as long as that culture isn't impeding on someone else's rights it doesn't matter how extreme it feels, it has a right to exist.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I thought Chechnya is essentially its own thing.

Russia notably supports the Chechnyan president:

Ramzan Kadyrov: Putin's key Chechen ally

And Russia itself also persecutes LGBT people, so whether or not Chechnya is its own thing is kind of a moot point anyway.

 

[Rival]

Different cultures often feel "extreme" to those who may not be a part of them. In a free society as long as that culture isn't impeding on someone else's rights it doesn't matter how extreme it feels, it has a right to exist.

I think asking nursery kids what their pronouns are is extreme.
I think allowing kids to learn about sexual orientation before they're old enough to light a match is extreme.

And so on.

But look, I've debated this on here time and time again and on RF you're always outgunned by folks who disagree. I'm on the hard-right, I make no apologies, I support the move.

 

[Secret Chief]

I am always amazed at how facism appeals to people.

They have the best uniforms and it provides an outlet for hatred.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

This is what happens when traditionalism wins out over education.

 

[Debater Slayer]

But look, I've debated this on here time and time again and on RF you're always outgunned by folks who disagree.

I'm not sure one can reasonably expect others not to be upset when you support laws that effectively enable their persecution or even their torture and murder. You're free to be on the hard right, but some beliefs come with social consequences, and rightfully so.

 

[Secret Chief]

I'm on the hard-right,

I mustn't have been paying attention, I wasn't aware of this. I had you pigeon-holed as "traditionalist."

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I mustn't have been paying attention, I wasn't aware of this. I had you pigeon-holed as "traditionalist."

To be fair, the two are often one in the same. Facism is ever a lover of Deontological ethics where values can be conjured whole-cloth from something purportedly traditional, and enforced not based on critical analysis of help vs harm, but simply because it's the 'virtuous thing.'

 

[Yerda]

Meanwhile, many right-wingers in the U.S. harp on the "free speech" chord when they disagree with something. I guess free speech is only a virtue to such people when it agrees with their beliefs.

You know it is. The only people who actually bought the right-wing faff over free speech are all queued up at the DIY shop waiting for a can of tartan paint.

 

[Stevicus]

They have the best uniforms and it provides an outlet for hatred.

Yes, those snappy Hugo Boss uniforms were quite appealing. We leftists are quite a bit sloppier by comparison.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have a feeling that it is all about control. First label the groups as "extremist" Then make laws banning extreme groups. That is so much easier than refuting their claims.

 

[Secret Chief]

Yes, those snappy Hugo Boss uniforms were quite appealing. We leftists are quite a bit sloppier by comparison.

Sloppy?! I prefer the word "relaxed."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Good.

How is it good?
In reality Russia would be worse for me than Indiana, and that was before this.
And childless? Nowhere is really threatened by that.

 

[Secret Chief]

To be fair, the two are often one in the same. Facism is ever a lover of Deontological ethics where values can be conjured whole-cloth from something purportedly traditional, and enforced not based on critical analysis of help vs harm, but simply because it's the 'virtuous thing.'

That was educational. Deontology: what nonsense!