Russia Proposes ‘Extremist’ Label for LGBT, Feminist, Child-Free Movements

[Rival]

How is it good?
In reality Russia would be worse for me than Indiana, and that was before this.
And childless? Nowhere is really threatened by that.

I just think their sticking to their values is a good thing. I think the childless thing comes from the fact that European birth-rates are plummeting and are being taken over by immigrant birth-rates. Not that being childless is necessarily bad, but when many couples choose to be childless so much so that it starts affecting the ethnic and cultural makeup of the place, folks see that as a threat.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

For thousands of years of human history, the typical arrangement might have been extended families all living in the same village. The suburban ideal of a "nuclear family" with unrelated, disconnected people living side-by-side on their own plot of land seems more of a recent phenomenon, relatively speaking.

It is, and the model of the nuclear family is least pro-family model I'm aware of that we've practiced as a species.
I know of no other culture that normalizes two people eventual being on their own, separated from kids, parents, grand parents, aunts and uncles, siblings and cousins. Traditionally we've had them close by and didn't have empty nests.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I just think their sticking to their values is a good thing.

That's what the Klan does. China and the Taliban are doing that. Evangelicals are doing that when they argue against teaching evolution in school in favor for Creationism and harp on about their imaginary war on Christmas. The PIRA was really sticking to their beliefs.
It's not always a bad thing, and can be a great thing. But in and of itself it's not either. When it unfairly punishes others (including us) it's just not good. People can have their traditions and culture without demonizing others. That's the path the Nazis took when they stood for and acted on their values.

 

[Kooky]

I just think their sticking to their values is a good thing. I think the childless thing comes from the fact that European birth-rates are plummeting and are being taken over by immigrant birth-rates. Not that being childless is necessarily bad, but when many couples choose to be childless so much so that it starts affecting the ethnic and cultural makeup of the place, folks see that as a threat.

What we are seeing in Russia is a government proscribing openly living one's sexuality and one's chosen way of life, and punishing people for who they are. That government may happen to publically espouse values you identify with - I'm not going to say whether that assessment is correct or not, that's on you to decide - but what they are doing here is announcing a policy of systematic ostracism and persecution.

Claiming that this is "sticking to their values" and "a good thing" is, frankly, not just a position of cruelty, but outward sadism.

 

[Kooky]

I thought Chechnya is essentially its own thing.

The Chechen Republic is a "federal subject" of the Russian Federation. Think US State, or devolved UK thingie.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I think asking nursery kids what their pronouns are is extreme.
I think allowing kids to learn about sexual orientation before they're old enough to light a match is extreme.

And so on.

My wife and I have been polyamorous for so long, normal monogamous behavior feels extreme now!

I had a friend need to spend the night at my house because his wife kissed another man and his jealousy meant he couldn't manage being with her that night. That seems extreme to me.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

'Russia’s LGBT, radical feminist and child-free groups should be recognized as “extremist,” the chairman of an influential government commission said Wednesday.

“LGBT ideology, radical feminism and child-free movements should be recognized as extremism — an extremist ideology,” the state-run TASS news agency cited Andrei Tsyganov, chairman of a commission for the protection of children at the Roskomnadzor communications regulator, as saying Wednesday.

The proposed ban would help protect Russian children and adolescents from the influence of destructive content on social networks and the internet, Tsyganov said.

The call came on the same day Russia’s Justice Ministry slapped the Ivanovo Center for Gender Studies, a research and education non-profit, with the “foreign agent” label...

...Organizations supporting victims of domestic violence have also been labeled “foreign agents.”'

Source: Russia Proposes ‘Extremist’ Label for LGBT, Feminist, Child-Free Movements - The Moscow Times

It looks as though Russia's ruling United Russia party hates women, LGBT folk, polyamourous folk, and people who do not wish to have children, is there anyone i missed to add to the list?

In my opinion.

You can be anti-feminist and pro-women. I believe that feminism is harmful to both women and men.

There are many extremist views within the LGBT community.

I don't where the polyamorous comment came from - but I can see why any government would consider people not wanting to have kids to be extreme.

All this being said - there should be no banning of speech.

 

[Kooky]

There are many extremist views within the LGBT community.

For example, there are LGBT people who support freedom, democracy and egalitarianism, ideas which are widely considered extremist and dangerous in authoritarian and theocratic states such as Russia.

If we want to believe conservative media, then no heterosexual person would go for such follies, if it weren't for the Gay Agenda brainwashing people into believing that everyone should live their life as they please so long as nobody is being hurt or oppressed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

but I can see why any government would consider people not wanting to have kids to be extreme.

Why? My life's had enough abuse and hardships that bringing another life into it to suffer sounds not desireable to me. That's not extreme.

 

[danieldemol]

You can be anti-feminist and pro-women. I believe that feminism is harmful to both women and men.

You can't be a supporter of domestic violence and pro-women

There are many extremist views within the LGBT community.

Name one, demonstrate that it is "extreme", and publish the survey demonstrating it is a widely held view amongst the LGBT community in a peer reviewed article.

I don't where the polyamorous comment came from - but I can see why any government would consider people not wanting to have kids to be extreme.

Yeah I can too - because they are selfish rich people who want an oversupply of labour so they don't have to pay the working class what they are worth to house, feed, cloth etc.

In my opinion.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

For example, there are LGBT people who support freedom, democracy and egalitarianism, ideas which are widely considered extremist and dangerous in authoritarian and theocratic states such as Russia.

If we want to believe conservative media, then no heterosexual person would go for such follies, if it weren't for the Gay Agenda brainwashing people into believing that everyone should live their life as they please so long as nobody is being hurt or oppressed.

Sounds like you have an axe to grind.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Why? My life's had enough abuse and hardships that bringing another life into it to suffer sounds not desireable to me. That's not extreme.

It's not extreme to you.

But countries tend to want their populations to grow.

At least first world countries do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not extreme to you.

But countries tend to want their populations to grow.

At least first world countries do.

So it's extremism on me that life has sucked a lot and as a result I just have no desire for kids? My own family is so broken that I didn't grow up thinking it's an important thing.
That's extreme only to those utterly blinded by dogma. Pretty much just about anyone who doesn't want kids has their reasons and they aren't rooted in extremism.

 

[Kooky]

Sounds like you have an axe to grind.

What made you think so?

 

[Kooky]

It's not extreme to you.

But countries tend to want their populations to grow.

At least first world countries do.

No, they don't. They want racial purity and authoritarian machismo.

If they wanted to actually enlargen their population and nothing else, they could trivially achieve that by taking in more immigrants.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

You can't be a supporter of domestic violence and pro-women

What?

Men are almost just as likely to be victims of domestic violence as women - and they have the added benefit of having the entire system rigged against them - simply because they are men.

I don't know how you equated "anti-feminist" with "supporting domestic violence".

That was very weird.

Name one, demonstrate that it is "extreme", and publish the survey demonstrating it is a widely held view amongst the LGBT community in a peer reviewed article.

I never made the claim that any extremist views were "widely held" - and it wouldn't be an "extremist" view if it were held by the majority - would it?

But the idea that man can become women and women men or that gender is a social construct are extreme views.

Yeah I can too - because they are selfish rich people who want an oversupply of labour so they don't have to pay the working class what they are worth to house, feed, cloth etc.

More people leads to more innovation. Not to mention the preservation of your nation's culture. And a bunch of other stuff.

In my opinion.

A very jaded opinion - in my opinion.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

So it's extremism on me that life has sucked a lot and as a result I just have no desire for kids? My own family is so broken that I didn't grow up thinking it's an important thing.
That's extreme only to those utterly blinded by dogma. Pretty much just about anyone who doesn't want kids has their reasons and they aren't rooted in extremism.

From the perspective of your home nation - yes - I can see why they would consider that to be extreme.

I don't care if you don't have kids - but your country probably does - and I know for a fact that the population growth of the U.S. has gone down significantly.

That should concern all Americans - not just the U.S. government.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

What made you think so?

Your irrationality.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

No, they don't. They want racial purity and authoritarian machismo.

If they wanted to actually enlargen their population and nothing else, they could trivially achieve that by taking in more immigrants.

A nation that wants to preserve their culture, values and ideals would prioritize growing their own citizens rather than importing them.

We have actually seen the opposite happen in countries that open their borders. They lose their cultural identity and it creates friction.

I don't know how it is in Russia - but you can't tell an American just by looking - so race and authority have nothing to do with it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

From the perspective of your home nation - yes - I can see why they would consider that to be extreme.

Fortunately people here don't share this highly dogmatic and demonizing view.

That should concern all Americans -

Why? Such things happen. Cultures come and go, nothing lasts forever and change is the only constant.

but your country probably does

Nope.

and I know for a fact that the population growth of the U.S. has gone down significantly.

So? There are too many of us as there is.