Yerda
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...s-russiagate-really-hillarygate/#629fa8f45cf6
In the interests of some balance. What do you make of this?
In the interests of some balance. What do you make of this?
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It pretty much ignores the Russia timeline and everything that is causing suspicions about Trump and his campaign.https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...s-russiagate-really-hillarygate/#629fa8f45cf6
In the interests of some balance. What do you make of this?
Hillary is not important any more. I don't bother reading anything with her name in the title, assuming that it is just more of that revoltingest of false equivalency, "Hillary did it too!".In the interests of some balance.
And none of Trump's supporters seem willing to ask the obvious questions.Russia was the prime sponsor of Russia's meddling in our election.
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia played both sides. However:
It is absurd to ignore all the evidence that points to Russia's interference favoring Trump and then come to the conclusion that Clinton was behind it.
A great point.Hillary is not important any more. I don't bother reading anything with her name in the title, assuming that it is just more of that revoltingest of false equivalency, "Hillary did it too!".
In other words, deflection from the real problem to some fake news. I wonder more about who translated it from the Russian.
Tom
Given Junior's tweets, I think Putin was more behind it than Trump. The act of gathering evidence against one candidate and working to give it to another undermines both candidates with one stone.Russia was the prime sponsor of Russia's meddling in our election.
Exactly. That's one of the problems with collusion: you are simultaneoulsy creating blackmail material on yourself while you help a foreign government smear your opponent.Given Junior's tweets, I think Putin was more behind it than Trump. The act of gathering evidence against one candidate and working to give it to another undermines both candidates with one stone.
With Junior seeming oblivious to the political games having failed to notice that one being played on him, it makes me wonder what else happened that Trump and his Court failed to realize would later come back to bite them because this is politics, not business. What are they going to do? Sue Putin?I think the Steele Dossier may be accurate. It did predict that in June of last year Trump and Co were meeting with Kremlin associates. Which everyone just learned of recently. Apparently the adoption meeting lasted a couple minutes and didn't provide anything, so everyone left.
They probably just wanted someone completely incompetent, to immobilize the American government at home and to make it a joke abroad.And none of Trump's supporters seem willing to ask the obvious questions.
Like why would Putin and Russia want Trump to be president? What benefits did they see as worth the cost?
Tom
I think it is a strawman and distraction. It doesn't really matter who made Trump's relationship with Russia public. If it exists, it should be investigated and if people in his campaign lied or broke the law they should be prosecuted and held accountable. Simple as that. Obviously, since this is a federal investigation, it is going to take years before we get to the bottom of it. And, Trump's campaign staff not being transparent; hiding meetings, lying about who was at meetings, lying about not having connections with Russia in any way, suspicious actions, and very suspicious language coming out of the White House (refusing to say that Russia attempted to help Trump win, refusing to speak ill of Putin, etc.) makes an investigation absolutely necessary.https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulro...s-russiagate-really-hillarygate/#629fa8f45cf6
In the interests of some balance. What do you make of this?
The answer is extremely obvious. Putin has a personal vendetta against Clinton for well-known reasons. Hillary went after Putin and continues to be very hard on him for his human rights abuses and criminal activities. Trump, not so much. Trump seems to really respect Putin, he refuses to speak ill of Russia, and he seems to be trying to remove sanctions.And none of Trump's supporters seem willing to ask the obvious questions.
Like why would Putin and Russia want Trump to be president? What benefits did they see as worth the cost?
Tom
That may be what helps pad the damage over the next 3 1/2 years. Trump, rather than acting like a politician, or even business leader, he's acting like a teenager who is drawn to social media like a bug to a light. When the Right has even complained he's addicted to cable and social media, it's a sign he won't be very effective, and so far he really hasn't, and he hasn't shown signs of changes.Trump should ignore the media and focus on his agenda. But, he doesn't seem to have it in him to rise above any of this.
We welcome all investigations to prove if the allegations are phony or not. Hillary is 1-0. Will TrumpCo be found innocent by Bob? Maybe Trump will testify before congress for 10+ hours?Investigate'm all.
Hillary was not found to be innocent, she was given a pass. To be found innocent one must be charged with a crime and unfortunately the results of the FBI's investigation was never turned over to a grand jury to make that determination.We welcome all investigations to prove if the allegations are phony or not. Hillary is 1-0. Will TrumpCo be found innocent by Bob? Maybe Trump will testify before congress for 10+ hours?
Definitely looking like TrumpCo enlisted the help of the axis of evil to hack into the American democracy. Traitorous.