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S Africa Makes Case: Israel Committing Genocide

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
If they were reasonable they wouldn't have stolen land based on religious nationalism in the first place or continually encroached upon the land the UN didn't take from the Palestinians. They wouldn't have made Gaza into a repressive hellhole. They wouldn't intentionally economically repress and hinder. They'd actually be targetting and eliminating Hamas rather than putting all Gazans in the way to the sword. That one is especially just stupid as we've seen time and time again such extreme violence primes people for extremism, in this case doing Hamas recruitment.
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Killing Palestinians is the obvious goal,
despite their dishonest denial.
Israel is going to cost us far more than
just the tax dollars sent there as cash &
bombs for the genocide. We can expect
an increased risk of terrorism as Genocide
Joe shows USA's true colors about Muslims,
ie, that their lives matter not.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
libre said:
I don't support the current policy of Israel.
I do think it is unwise to suggest that Hamas is a lesser evil here.
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That's absurd. Israel does the far far greater
share of murdering innocent people. Israel
was killing them before Oct 7, yet believes
that the gloves can come off because of that
attack. It's a vile lame excuse for mass murder.
Israel has become worse than Hamas.
libre said:
Their offensive was the indiscriminate killing of mostly civilians.
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And Israel's offensive has intentionally killed
far far more civilians than Hamas ever did.
libre said:
To say they are a lesser evil is to mistake their poor capabilities to fulfill their stated aims as reflective of their virtue.
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Israel's stated aims are to prevent any Palestinian
state from ever existing, to exterminate Hamas
& anyone in the way, to ship the survivors to
Africa, & to take Gaza for Israel.

Israel is the greater evil.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
That's absurd. Israel does the far far greater
share of murdering innocent people. Israel
was killing them before Oct 7, yet believes
that the gloves can come off because of that
attack. It's a vile lame excuse for mass murder.
Israel has become worse than Hams.

And Israel's offensive has intentionally killed
far far more civilians than Hamas ever did.

Israel's stated aims are to prevent any Palestinian
state from ever existing, to exterminate Hamas
& anyone in the way, to ship the survivors to
Africa, & to take Gaza for Israel.

Israel is the greater evil.
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Besides, if it weren't for Israel's barbaric treatment of the Palestinians, Hamas wouldn't exist in the first place. It wouldn't have a reason to. This is ultimately Israel's fault.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Besides, if it weren't for Israel's barbaric treatment of the Palestinians, Hamas wouldn't exist in the first place. It wouldn't have a reason to. This is ultimately Israel's fault.
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I recently read about a slave revolt in the Virgin Islands.
About 300 years ago in St John, black slaves killed
soldiers, colonists, & their masters.
Many posters here don't consider any inconvenient
history before any attack. They'd blame the slaves
for "terrorism" because in 1733 they attacked mercilessly.
There have been other vicious attacks by slaves
upon their owners & oppressors. Damn slaves...they
just don't want peace & stability.

Perpetrators always blame their victims.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
I use a very specific one that I've linked many times before,
ie, the 1948 UN definitoin.
But only those who thoroughly read posts would notice.
en.wikipedia.org

Genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Do you support Israel's actions?
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Based on the somewhat slippery definition you provided, I don't think it applies to Israel.

As for who I support. I BLAME organizations like the UN. The whole world has known for 20 years what was going on in Gaza. I think the UN is mostly hamstrung by the 57 member OIC (a political Islamic group). It seems dead obvious that the OIC has been more than happy to let the situation in Gaza and the WB fester. It seems more than obvious that the OIC is happy to use Gazans as pawns in their larger strategy to ethnically cleanse and rule the entire ME. And the world has looked away as Islamists in the ME have committed actual genocide on all the non-Muslim peoples in the ME. The Kurds, the Yazidis, the Coptics, and on and on.

To focus on Israel vs. Gazans is to have far too narrow of a focus. This is actually about Israel vs. the entire ME.

Until the world wakes up to Islamists, Israel really has no choice if it hopes to survive. Anyone who thinks a two state solution is workable as long as Islamists rule the ME, is being naive.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
icehorse said:
Based on the somewhat slippery definition you provided, I don't think it applies to Israel.
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Of course you don't.
icehorse said:
As for who I support. I BLAME organizations like the UN. The whole world has known for 20 years what was going on in Gaza. I think the UN is mostly hamstrung by the 57 member OIC (a political Islamic group). It seems dead obvious that the OIC has been more than happy to let the situation in Gaza and the WB fester. It seems more than obvious that the OIC is happy to use Gazans as pawns in their larger strategy to ethnically cleanse and rule the entire ME. And the world has looked away as Islamists in the ME have committed actual genocide on all the non-Muslim peoples in the ME. The Kurds, the Yazidis, the Coptics, and on and on.

To focus on Israel vs. Gazans is to have far too narrow of a focus. This is actually about Israel vs. the entire ME.

Until the world wakes up to Islamists, Israel really has no choice if it hopes to survive. Anyone who thinks a two state solution is workable as long as Islamists rule the ME, is being naive.
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Islamists, Zionists, Jews, Christians....wake up to
all being sources of endless violent conflict.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
Islamists, Zionists, Jews, Christians....wake up to
all being sources of endless violent conflict.
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Well we agree in that!

But in the ME, it's the Islamists fueling the endless, violent conflict - they've "cleansed" most everyone else out of the ME.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
You blame mid east troubles on Muslims.
This ignores hostilities of Christians & Jews.
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If you zoom out and look at the entire region, the vast majority of the hostilities originate with Islamists.

And let's be clear here - I'm distinguishing between Muslims and Islamists. Such details are important.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
It's telling that S Africa is charging Israel with genocide.
Israel supported apartheid in S Africa back in the day.
Excerpted....
Israel appeared before the International Court of Justice in The Hague on Thursday to face accusations it is committing genocide in Gaza in a case that could impact the trajectory of the war.
South Africa, which brought the case, alleges that Israel is violating international law by committing and failing to prevent genocidal acts “to destroy Palestinians in Gaza.”
Israel has rejected the allegations — as has its most important ally, the United States.
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So, what happens next?
Is there a trial, do they get found guilty?
Are there any consequences of being found guilty?
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
King Phenomenon said:
So just because Islamist cleans everybody that gives other groups the right to do so? What’s your point?
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This OP more or less claims that Israel is committing genocide. There are several issues with that claim, including:

- The population in Gaza is hundreds of thousands more people than it was 20 years ago, which in itself makes claims of "genocide" preposterous.
- Context matters. Israel and Gaza are a part of a region. It is nonsensical to artificially isolate them from the rest of the region and judge them in isolation. This is a complex, dynamic system. You must - for example - consider Eygpt, Jordan, Lebanon and others when trying to determine what's really going on. To provide more specific examples, shouldn't we factor in Egypt's long standing blockade of Gazans? Shouldn't we factor in Jordan and Lebanon's treatment of Palestinians?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
icehorse said:
If you zoom out and look at the entire region, the vast majority of the hostilities originate with Islamists.
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You didn't zoom out far enuf to see how
Christians have run roughshod over Muslims
in the Middle East....killing, stealing, invading,
& oppressing
 
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