Salvation and Moksha.

[chinu]

According to You what is the difference between Salvation and Moksha ?

I used the word "You" instead of "Hinduism" while asking this question, because I find that different Hindu's have different perspectives of Hinduism

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

To me, Salvation always meant something that came by the grace of a being outside myself. Moksha is attained by oneself through spiritual growth over many lifetimes. It is said that certain acts of faith can "grant one Moksha" but I don't believe one attains Moksha before one is ready no matter how one prays.

:camp:

 

[chinu]

To me, Salvation always meant something that came by the grace of a being outside myself. Moksha is attained by oneself through spiritual growth over many lifetimes. It is said that certain acts of faith can "grant one Moksha" but I don't believe one attains Moksha before one is ready no matter how one prays.

:camp:

But, what's the difference between both After getting them ? your guess.

 

[Maya3]

Salvation means that you are SAVED from going to hell by God, because you believe in Jesus. It doesn't matter what you have done at all, or what kind of karma you have.

Moksha means that you understand that you are part of God and everything else, and that you really truly understand, see and feel this.

Maya

 

[Jainarayan]

To me, semantically, salvation=moksha=liberation=nirvana=release from the ignorance of the world and the cycle of rebirth, and the gaining of true knowledge, peace and bliss.

 

[chinu]

To me, semantically, salvation=moksha=liberation=nirvana=release from the ignorance of the world and the cycle of rebirth, and the gaining of true knowledge, peace and bliss.

And who is God ? according to you

 

[Jainarayan]

And who is God ? according to you

I did not mention God, but since you ask... I really do not know who or what God is. I'll tell you when I get there. My gut feelings drive me back to a somewhat deistic view of God. That is, as Hermeticism describes God (maybe Advaita too): Supreme Deity (though that ascribes an anthropomorphic attribute), the All, the One, the Absolute, existence itself, the only thing that exists. But one who may not care to directly intervene in the lives of living beings or directly control the universe.

 

[swamplizard]

Does one attain "salvation" or is it automatic through existence?

best,
swampy

 

[Jainarayan]

In my beliefs, it's not automatic. It's a karmic effect, which is said to be intricate beyond understanding.

 

[swamplizard]

In my beliefs, it's not automatic. It's a karmic effect, which is said to be intricate beyond understanding.

Hi Jainarayan,

But, within infinity, do not all become "saved?"

 

[Jainarayan]

Hi Jainarayan,

But, within infinity, do not all become "saved?"

That's a good question that's been pondered for centuries. Evidently there is a belief that eventually all will be saved, liberated, etc. This is the bodhisattva vow of Buddhism... for example, Chenrezig aka Avalokiteshvara, the bodhisattva of infinite compassion has vowed to forego liberation until every sentient being has attained liberation. There is a verse from the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 9.21.12 that goes (http://vedabase.net/sb/9/21/12/):

na kāmaye 'haḿ gatim īśvarāt parām
aṣṭarddhi-yuktām apunar-bhavaḿ vā
ārtiḿ prapadye 'khila-deha-bhājām
antaḥ-sthito yena bhavanty aduḥkhāḥ

"I do not pray to the Supreme Personality of Godhead
for the eight perfections of mystic yoga,
nor for salvation from repeated birth and death.
I want only to stay among all the living entities
and suffer all distresses on their behalf, so that
they may be freed from suffering."

So it would seem to be a belief in Buddhism and Hinduism that all sentient beings will eventually be liberated. Now, is that within the existence of one universe, or over the course of many universes? That, I do not know.

 

[swamplizard]

I see the word, "universe" as encompassing all and not just being an expanding and/or contracting dot in a void, so that anytime and place is parcel to the one universe (one all).

best,
swampy

 

[Jainarayan]

There are indeed differing views of what the universe is. I personally believe in multi-multi-multi-universes (ad infinitum) that pop in and out of existence like soap bubbles, pinching off from each other (maybe from a black hole singularity? ). There are references to this in Hindu scriptures, and I believe also in Buddhist scriptures. It's kind of fun, in a perverse sort of way to ponder it. Though it can usually serve to elicit a bangeroo of a headache and get you no closer to moksha.

 

[swamplizard]

I see the multi-verses as being an integral part of the universe, that the one all is not limited to a single location or time. I also see that if something exists in any form, then it is eternal as its existence cannot be erased from perpetuity. Good conversation, thanks.

best,
swampy

 

[Fireside_Hindu]

But, what's the difference between both After getting them ? your guess.

To me the difference in salvation seems to me that you "go to paradise". You remain separate from God but are allowed to live in his presence for eternity. In Moksha, you literally merge with God and/or attain realization of your identity as God.

:camp:

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

According to You what is the difference between Salvation and Moksha ?

I used the word "You" instead of "Hinduism" while asking this question, because I find that different Hindu's have different perspectives of Hinduism

To me Moksha means the realization of the Atman of its own existence through knowledge which in turn leads to freedom from the cycle of samsara, Moksha can be achieved by attaining self knowledge, by attaining complete knowledge of existence through study, through bhakti which to me is to abide by the characteristics of the supreme and its many forms and attributes or following ones Dharmah and being unattached to senses or controlling the senses through our mind, by seeing unity of existence and uniting with ones inner self or through the knowledge of uniting with the Supreme self. I think Moksha is attained by a individual through their own effort.

To me salvation means being saved by someone.

 

[bhootarajaru]

To me the difference in salvation seems to me that you "go to paradise". You remain separate from God but are allowed to live in his presence for eternity. In Moksha, you literally merge with God and/or attain realization of your identity as God...

then why does god need salvation......................god is not a fool who forgets his own identity.............