Salvation in the scriptures, the born again movement

[Muffled]

No, honoring Sunday is a man made belief. God said He worked six days and rested on the seventh. Man said it does not matter what day you remember. How someone can twist this around the other way shows how desperate people are to ignore the clear word of God and honor something of their own making. Most churches freely admit they honor the first day of the week but God did not rest on the first, He rested on the seventh. Twist it any way you want but you are ignoring God in favor of some man made idea.

I believe I see it the other way around. You are ignoring what God is doing now in favor of what He did in the past. You are worshiping the law instead of worshiping God.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If God made the law then what is wrong with keeping it. This sounds like more excuses. God says remember the seventh day but I am not worshiping God if I do this. Twisted human thinking.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Also God says in the Bible that He never changes. He is the same in the past and the present and the future. God's laws do not change and if He wanted the seventh day rememberes a few thousand years ago then He still wants it remembered now.

 

[jtartar]

Therefore? I see little reason to accept some line by Paul as holy writ. This thread may be more appropriate to the Christianity DIR where your audience shares your basic assumptions.

Jayhawker Soule,
You cannot take ONE Scripture and think you have the whole truth about a doctrine.
Very few times in the Holy Scriptures does any Scripture tell the whole truth, for some Scriptures modify Scripture, some complement Scripture. Scripture is almost always Syncategorematic, not Categorematic. This means you must search the Bible for truth, as you would search for treasure, Proverbs 2:4. Real treasure is not usually easy to find, certainly you will not fine truth in one Scripture, but when you find the whole truth about a doctrine, you have a Gem beyond value, that can never be taken from you.
There are many requirements to gain Salvation. Soteriology is the branch of Theology dealing with Salvation, and it is not a short study, certainly not one Scripture.
You must get the teaching into your heart, you must get Baptized by the One religion that God is blessing, Ephesians 4:3-6, then help others to gain Salvation, do good works, Ephesians 2:10, be honest in all things, Hebrews 13:18, in fact, put on a whole new personality, Ephesians 4:22-32. You must keep testing to make sure you are still in the faith, 2Corinthians 13:5, do not drift away or be drawn away, Hebrews 2:1, 3:12, by staying on the straight and narrow road the leads to life, Matthew 7:13,14, we must strive hard to attain Salvation, Luke 13:23,24, 1Corinthians 9:25-27. Agape!!!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You must get the teaching into your heart, you must get Baptized by the One religion that God is blessing, Ephesians 4:3-6, then help others to gain Salvation, do good works, Ephesians 2:10, be honest in all things, Hebrews 13:18, in fact, put on a whole new personality, Ephesians 4:22-32. You must keep testing to make sure you are still in the faith, 2Corinthians 13:5, do not drift away or be drawn away, Hebrews 2:1, 3:12, by staying on the straight and narrow road the leads to life, Matthew 7:13,14, we must strive hard to attain Salvation, Luke 13:23,24, 1Corinthians 9:25-27. Agape!!!

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[omega2xx]

No, honoring Sunday is a man made belief. God said He worked six days and rested on the seventh. Man said it does not matter what day you remember. How someone can twist this around the other way shows how desperate people are to ignore the clear word of God and honor something of their own making. Most churches freely admit they honor the first day of the week but God did not rest on the first, He rested on the seventh. Twist it any way you want but you are ignoring God in favor of some man made idea.

Where does God say to honor Him on any day of the week? Were does he say to attend a religious service on a particular day of the week?

That is what man says, not God.

Christians should honor God every day o the week and it is doesn't matter what day we assemble for corporate worship.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I guess you never heard of the ten commandments. That is where God said to remember the seventh day. You can go to church any day you want or several days a week. But you are to remember the seventh day and keep it holy. Only God can make a day holy but man can keep it holy and obey God.

 

[omega2xx]

I guess you never heard of the ten commandments. That is where God said to remember the seventh day. You can go to church any day you want or several days a week. But you are to remember the seventh day and keep it holy. Only God can make a day holy but man can keep it holy and obey God.

Does keeping the Sabbath require attending a religious service?

 

[omega2xx]

Also God says in the Bible that He never changes. He is the same in the past and the present and the future. God's laws do not change and if He wanted the seventh day rememberes a few thousand years ago then He still wants it remembered now.

What do you do on the Sabbath to obey the 5th commandment?

 

[Jlbevin2]

Heres a scripture that describes salvation in the bible.

Romans 10:9-10 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Read More...)


The born again movement started in the 60s according to my grandmother who was born and raised up in the Baptist church. My Mom was too.

The Baptist and Community churches, nondenominational and many bible churches teach that responding to an alter all and accepting Jesus as Lord into your heart is how you get saved and you must respond to an alter call to do it. If you do it at home you must express it as and use the accepting Jesus as Lord into your heart.

This is not in the bible, it says nothing about accepting Jesus as Lord it says you must believe on him confess him as Lord and the Trinity isn't in there it doesn't say pray to him either or that hes God. ANyways forget I said that, that's another argument. But talking about the born again movement.

My Grandmother Mommie Ingram told me that before the 60s, the way they got saved was believing on Jesus repenting of sins and responding to an alter call to get baptized and join the church, accepting Jesus wasn't a part of it. If you join the church publically your making a public expression of faith on Jesus.

SOme would say that I'm being picky and theres nothing wrong with the idea of using the sinners prayer or accepting Jesus as Lord to express what the bibles talking about that. Ok I agree but theres a problem.

A lot of Baptists and many I know believe not so much that you have to belong to the Baptist church but that you have to express yourself at an alter call and use the expression accept Jesus and respond to an alter call to be saved.

They also say including my sister who admits she maybe wrong but many wrongly believe United Methodists Catholics Episcapalian, Christian churches and the like wont go to heaven because they don't accept Jesus as lord and offer an Alter Call to accept Jesus.

SO my problem isn't so much the actual act of using that alter call as much as it is that its just not required by the bible, Faith in Jesus and God saves you.Repentance also.

SO my issue is that they teach it as something that is required to get saved.

My second problem is this. The born again movement started making people get resaved over and over again and respond to alter calls over and over after they sinned. My Mom quit the Baptist church because she use to respond over and over to alter calls and then go to the beer store on the way home and get drunk( she was a recovering alcoholic) again.

And she also wouldn't go back because after she got clean and sober at AA,she accepted the fact that she got saved at the age of 8 and has been saved her whole life, once saved always saved.

The churches are teaching people to get saved and resaved and its wrong, she said I'm not going back to church and getting resaved which is what they would require me to do I'm already saved.

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[Jlbevin2]

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The scripture in the beginning of your post does not mean confessing Christ is all that is needed to be saved. The "shalt be" reveals there is more to be learned. Laying hold of salvation is the only way to positively know you are saved. There are saved saints raised from the ground and saved saints returning with Christ. From this and many other scriptures we can see there are flesh and blood people who dwell on the earth through eternity and spiritual saints who live with Christ in the mansions he has prepared for them. The difference is laying hold of salvation. Now to live in eternity and be appointed a king or priest to oversee the people on earth requires much understanding. Judgement on the household of God , yes it is taught in the New Testament- if you know what you are reading, the difference in the heavens, doctrine of casting out devil. Predestination and these are just several examples. Much more understandings and they all come together to explain and teach how to separated yourself from sin. The Kingdom of God, the rebirth, entrance into the Kingdom, so much more yet so simple to understand.
My advice would be forget this definition of salvation and seek Christ and all will fall into place.

Heres a scripture that describes salvation in the bible.

Romans 10:9-10 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Read More...)


The born again movement started in the 60s according to my grandmother who was born and raised up in the Baptist church. My Mom was too.

The Baptist and Community churches, nondenominational and many bible churches teach that responding to an alter all and accepting Jesus as Lord into your heart is how you get saved and you must respond to an alter call to do it. If you do it at home you must express it as and use the accepting Jesus as Lord into your heart.

This is not in the bible, it says nothing about accepting Jesus as Lord it says you must believe on him confess him as Lord and the Trinity isn't in there it doesn't say pray to him either or that hes God. ANyways forget I said that, that's another argument. But talking about the born again movement.

My Grandmother Mommie Ingram told me that before the 60s, the way they got saved was believing on Jesus repenting of sins and responding to an alter call to get baptized and join the church, accepting Jesus wasn't a part of it. If you join the church publically your making a public expression of faith on Jesus.

SOme would say that I'm being picky and theres nothing wrong with the idea of using the sinners prayer or accepting Jesus as Lord to express what the bibles talking about that. Ok I agree but theres a problem.

A lot of Baptists and many I know believe not so much that you have to belong to the Baptist church but that you have to express yourself at an alter call and use the expression accept Jesus and respond to an alter call to be saved.

They also say including my sister who admits she maybe wrong but many wrongly believe United Methodists Catholics Episcapalian, Christian churches and the like wont go to heaven because they don't accept Jesus as lord and offer an Alter Call to accept Jesus.

SO my problem isn't so much the actual act of using that alter call as much as it is that its just not required by the bible, Faith in Jesus and God saves you.Repentance also.

SO my issue is that they teach it as something that is required to get saved.

My second problem is this. The born again movement started making people get resaved over and over again and respond to alter calls over and over after they sinned. My Mom quit the Baptist church because she use to respond over and over to alter calls and then go to the beer store on the way home and get drunk( she was a recovering alcoholic) again.

And she also wouldn't go back because after she got clean and sober at AA,she accepted the fact that she got saved at the age of 8 and has been saved her whole life, once saved always saved.

The churches are teaching people to get saved and resaved and its wrong, she said I'm not going back to church and getting resaved which is what they would require me to do I'm already saved.

 

[Muffled]

If God made the law then what is wrong with keeping it. This sounds like more excuses. God says remember the seventh day but I am not worshiping God if I do this. Twisted human thinking.

If you had a boss who had a rule that you could take an hour for lunch and then He changed the rule to a half hour but you still took and hour. Do you think he would be pleased because you followed the old rule and not the new one?

 

[Muffled]

Also God says in the Bible that He never changes. He is the same in the past and the present and the future. God's laws do not change and if He wanted the seventh day rememberes a few thousand years ago then He still wants it remembered now.

So I believe you are saying there is no salvation in Jesus because God never changes. I believe that is a bogus interpretation.

I believe remembering something and doing it are two different things. I remember what I was like before I was saved but that does not mean I want to go back to it.

 

[Muffled]

Where does God say to honor Him on any day of the week? Were does he say to attend a religious service on a particular day of the week?

That is what man says, not God.

Christians should honor God every day o the week and it is doesn't matter what day we assemble for corporate worship.

I believe one should consider who is being honored. Is it Moses for writing the law or Jesus who has risen from the dead? Who deserves more honor: a dead Jesus on the cross or a live one risen and returning?

 

[RESOLUTION]

[QUOTE="Riders,
The churches are teaching people to get saved and resaved and its wrong, she said I'm not going back to church and getting resaved which is what they would require me to do I'm already saved.[/QUOTE]

I think acts 10:34-45 is apt.



34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

The Jews believed whoever did what God wanted was acceptable to him. The officer that Peter was sent to was a Gentile.

38.How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


Very much a personal experience, Hearing the word and believing them we see men and women are baptised in the Spirit.

Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." Belief that Jesus died for our sins and God raised him up from the dead is what saves us. Hope this helps.

 

[omega2xx]

I believe one should consider who is being honored. Is it Moses for writing the law or Jesus who has risen from the dead? Who deserves more honor: a dead Jesus on the cross or a live one risen and returning?

That doesn't answer the questions. Which day does the Bible says to honor Jesus or God?

Where does he Bile say to attend a religious service on a specific day of the week?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You can attend religious services any day you want or even several days a week. But the seventh day is special and is to be remembered and kept holy. How you keep it holy may be open for interpretation. The main thing is that most "Christians" say they keep Sunday as the Sabbath instead of Saturday. But going to church on Sunday is not the same as remembering the seventh day.