Sam Harris on Why People Vote for trump

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Sam is so mistaken about the reason. He, like most, is trying to find the reason in Trump and in the voters instead of in the DNC. He (correctly) describes Trump this way: "One thing that Trump never communicates and cannot possibly communicate is a sense of his moral superiority. The man is totally without sanctimony...even when his total purpose is self aggrandizement." True. People voted for him because they saw a fighter. Its the simple explanation. They wanted someone who would not back down.

Now consider for a second how people perceive not Biden but the actions of the DNC. It never admits fault, doesn't listen to the minority groups that support it, loses elections without any apparent ability to introspect. It never faulted itself in 2016 despite everything. Even now its actors are in motion to explain how the fault is not because of the DNC, but it is. It was the DNC which discouraged people from voting Democrat. It brought its supporters to the precipice of exasperation by refusing to listen to them and killed would could easily have been a blue congress and presidency combined. Now Sam is trying to understand why people voted for Trump, but he doesn't question why they voted for the DNC. Just like in 2016. I predicted this right here on this forum, watched the DNC unable to sniff its own funk, and so I feel like I have got a point. The DNC blew this chance twice in exactly the same way and for the same reasons. Its not Trump.

I wouldn't mind seeing the prediction quoted here as well! Might be fun looking back!

 

[Brickjectivity]

I wouldn't mind seeing the prediction quoted here as well! Might be fun looking back!

I've also made bad predictions. I just happened to call this one. The vote clearly shows confusion about which side is more trustworthy, but instead of taking this to heart they presume the voters are evil. That marks them as Trump's equal not his superior. Its blind narcissism.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I've also made bad predictions. I just happened to call this one. The vote clearly shows confusion about which side is more trustworthy, but instead of taking this to heart they presume the voters are evil. That marks them as Trump's equal not his superior. Its blind narcissism.

Sam Harris often seems to say stuff which is sort of short sighted and not really seeing clearly. I think he probably has good intentions overall for what he thinks is best, and might not, for whatever reason, believe that others are not so different from him, and actually well-intended also for the most part, and trying to decide and do what they think is best overall for their lives or freedoms or whatever. It is pretty disrespectful and paranoid to think people for the most part are actually intended upon harm or are otherwise (even as experienced adults) incapable of making decisions that they think will serve their own selves or families better than other decisions.

I think the Trump voters believe that Trump will do things (or not do things) in such a way that it will be more favorable to them than Biden or the Democrats would, one way or another, and I think this is always what the elections probably come down to for anything, self-interest, and they may even be right overall for their specific interests.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sam is so mistaken about the reason. He, like most, is trying to find the reason in Trump and in the voters instead of in the DNC. He (correctly) describes Trump this way: "One thing that Trump never communicates and cannot possibly communicate is a sense of his moral superiority. The man is totally without sanctimony...even when his total purpose is self aggrandizement." True. People voted for him because they saw a fighter. Its the simple explanation. They wanted someone who would not back down.

Now consider for a second how people perceive not Biden but the actions of the DNC. It never admits fault, doesn't listen to the minority groups that support it, loses elections without any apparent ability to introspect. It never faulted itself in 2016 despite everything. Even now its actors are in motion to explain how the fault is not because of the DNC, but it is. It was the DNC which discouraged people from voting Democrat. It brought its supporters to the precipice of exasperation by refusing to listen to them and killed what could easily have been a blue congress and presidency combined. Now Sam is trying to understand why people voted for Trump, but he doesn't question why they voted for the DNC. Just like in 2016. I predicted this right here on this forum, watched the DNC unable to sniff its own funk, and so I feel like I have got a point. The DNC blew this chance twice in exactly the same way and for the same reasons. Its not Trump.

Good post. I'm really getting tired of these establishment snobs viewing us as beneath them, but they'll never change. I don't understand why people still fall for the DNC's cynical games time after time, but I'm not insulting people over it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the Trump voters believe that Trump will do things (or not do things) in such a way that it will be more favorable to them than Biden or the Democrats would, one way or another, and I think this is always what the elections probably come down to for anything, self-interest, and they may even be right overall for their specific interests.

Of the Trump voters I know, it's about the good
of the country far more than personal benefit.

 

[Tambourine]

Good post. I'm really getting tired of these establishment snobs viewing us as beneath them, but they'll never change. I don't understand why people still fall for the DNC's cynical games time after time, but I'm not insulting people over it.

Ah yes, Sam Harris, noted establishment snob, Washington insider and DNC apparatchik

 

[Tambourine]

Of the Trump voters I know, it's about the good
of the country far more than personal benefit.

Unlike those dastardly leftists who only ever vote for the personal benefits they want from social welfare

Fortunately there are still so many true patriots who recognize all the good things Donald Trump has accomplished for people of color, immigrants, LGBT people, and religious minorities.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ah yes, Sam Harris, noted establishment snob, Washington insider and DNC apparatchik

Nah, he's an anti-theist who argues for torture and has a thing against Muslims. Nothing special. I never cared for him. He's just another educated idiot bloaviating about things he doesn't understand.

 

[Tambourine]

Nah, he's an anti-theist who argues for torture and has a thing against Muslims. Nothing special. I never cared for him. He's just another educated idiot bloaviating about things he doesn't understand.

So you weren't talking about him the first time after all.

 

[Tambourine]

America through the eyes of a Trump supporter
(and I don't mean this ironically, Garrison has been a hardcore Trump supporter for years):

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So you weren't talking about him the first time after all.

He's part of the problem and he's certainly a snob, like all the "New Atheist" types are.

 

[Tambourine]

He's part of the problem and he's certainly a snob, like all the "New Atheist" types are.

"The problem" of...what?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

"The problem" of...what?

What I mentioned in my first post here. Geez.

 

[Tambourine]

What I mentioned in my first post here. Geez.

That post constituted little more than a regurgitation of established buzzwords that have no meaning to me.

I guess it was too much to ask you to explain your actual political position.

Have fun bloviating, I guess.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That post constituted little more than a regurgitation of established buzzwords that have no meaning to me.

I guess it was too much to ask you to explain your actual political position.

Have fun bloviating, I guess.

Or you could just follow the conversation. I don't really care, however. Bye.

 

[Revoltingest]

Unlike those dastardly leftists who only ever vote for the personal benefits they want from social welfare

Fortunately there are still so many true patriots who recognize all the good things Donald Trump has accomplished for people of color, immigrants, LGBT people, and religious minorities.

It seems that you've some point to make,
but it's obscured by attempted cleverness.

 

[bobhikes]

Interesting, short audio clip from Sam harris.

My inelegant summary is: Liberals make people feel guilty, trump doesn’t.

Trump makes me feel guilty, ashamed and lots of negative feeling about America. I have a real hard time understanding why these people vote for somebody that if acted that way in there house would kick them out and possibly shoot them dead. Just because he is the President he can act that way. I really don't understand it. My best friend and brother in law are major Trump supporters but they never want to give me an answer and insist it is better not to talk about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump makes me feel guilty, ashamed and lots of negative feeling about America. I have a real hard time understanding why these people vote for somebody that if acted that way in there house would kick them out and possibly shoot them dead. Just because he is the President he can act that way. I really don't understand it. My best friend and brother in law are major Trump supporters but they never want to give me an answer and insist it is better not to talk about it.

One view....
We don't live with a President. So they can be personally insufferable.
We pick them to effect better policies than the others running for the job.
Sometimes this means that an awful person is a better choice for that
job than the competition.
People who voted for Biden should understand that.

 

[icehorse]

Sam is so mistaken about the reason. He, like most, is trying to find the reason in Trump and in the voters instead of in the DNC. He (correctly) describes Trump this way: "One thing that Trump never communicates and cannot possibly communicate is a sense of his moral superiority. The man is totally without sanctimony...even when his total purpose is self aggrandizement." True. People voted for him because they saw a fighter. Its the simple explanation. They wanted someone who would not back down.

Now consider for a second how people perceive not Biden but the actions of the DNC. It never admits fault, doesn't listen to the minority groups that support it, loses elections without any apparent ability to introspect. It never faulted itself in 2016 despite everything. Even now its actors are in motion to explain how the fault is not because of the DNC, but it is. It was the DNC which discouraged people from voting Democrat. It brought its supporters to the precipice of exasperation by refusing to listen to them and killed what could easily have been a blue congress and presidency combined. Now Sam is trying to understand why people voted for Trump, but he doesn't question why they voted for the DNC. Just like in 2016. I predicted this right here on this forum, watched the DNC unable to sniff its own funk, and so I feel like I have got a point. The DNC blew this chance twice in exactly the same way and for the same reasons. Its not Trump.

A lot of truth in your post, thanks.

 

[Tambourine]

It seems that you've some point to make,
but it's obscured by attempted cleverness.

What, me? No.

Just shooting the breeze, having fun, being a social kind of person, you know.