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Satan controls world from the top

74x12

Well-Known Member
Don't be too hasty condemning this Satan character. I cannot find where Satan did ANY of the horrifically cruel, vindictive, hateful, sick, etc, things the bible "god" did.
I don't have to take any of these accusations seriously. You attribute to God your own base motives and desires being a human. God is not like us so He has no flaws or worthless motives. Everything He does is from perfection.

As for satan ...

“The cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf.” -Thomas Paine
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Double speak!

So make up your mind. Either this mythical Satan can deceive people or not deceive people.

For you just stated that:

"God is smart enough to show the truth and convince you that it is true."

So then nobody needs to worry about this imaginary Satan, since your "god" will not let him deceive anyone.

End of this Satan myth then. No need to panic folks!
Who really wants the truth from God?

Matthew 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
I don't have to take any of these accusations seriously. You attribute to God your own base motives and desires being a human. God is not like us so He has no flaws or worthless motives. Everything He does is from perfection.

As for satan ...

“The cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf.” -Thomas Paine

Oh, so you are one of those who never read the entire bible, got it.
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
God is like fire. Good but to be respected. You don't trifle with God.

See, that's the thing!

From the very first time I met the true God during my NDE/OBE, and thru-out my entire life, God has never even gave an inkling of ANY of all those lower emotions like hate, wrath, jealously, vengeance, cruelity, unfairness, etc., as the bible "god" wallows in. For the true God is above all that. So I think the bible "god" is really a demonic monster.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
See, that's the thing!

From the very first time I met the true God during my NDE/OBE, and thru-out my entire life, God has never even gave an inkling of ANY of all those lower emotions like hate, wrath, jealously, vengeance, cruelity, unfairness, etc., as the bible "god" wallows in. For the true God is above all that. So I think the bible "god" is really a demonic monster.
There you go again giving God motives more found among humans than Divinity.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
You can't know anything (that is true, spiritual) unless God shows you. Called a "revelation". Which is something that is revealed as if from heaven. Same with "epiphany" which is to mean manifestation. That's how you can know the real truth.

You<Satan<God

God is much stronger than Satan. If Satan is smart enough to deceive you; then God is smart enough to show the truth and convince you that it is true. And so He does.

Not satan himself ...
*Plonk*
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
You can't know anything (that is true, spiritual) unless God shows you. Called a "revelation". Which is something that is revealed as if from heaven. Same with "epiphany" which is to mean manifestation. That's how you can know the real truth.

You<Satan<God

God is much stronger than Satan. If Satan is smart enough to deceive you; then God is smart enough to show the truth and convince you that it is true. And so He does.

But obviously he doesn't - otherwise nobody would be deceived, would they? This simply makes no sense. What do you think is going on? Does your god decide who to target for "revelation" and them blame the others for being deceived when, in fact, it was god who made the choice?
 

Ancient Soul

The Spiritual Universe
See, that's the thing!

From the very first time I met the true God during my NDE/OBE, and thru-out my entire life, God has never even gave an inkling of ANY of all those lower emotions like hate, wrath, jealously, vengeance, cruelity, unfairness, etc., as the bible "god" wallows in. For the true God is above all that. So I think the bible "god" is really a demonic monster.

There you go again giving God motives more found among humans than Divinity.

You clearly lack reading comprehension.

"I" did no such thing, the bible "god" book is the one who did it.
 

dfnj

Well-Known Member
It would be great if people could trust themselves and their inner voice etc. But the problem with that is spirits can influence people easily and they don't even realize it.

If you can't trust yourself then how do you know someone else is NOT influenced by evil spirits. This is kind of the point of what I am saying. You know in your heart if you are about to do something someone else might consider to be evil. It is this voice which I would claim is the best authority for governing our actions. The problems with looking outside of ourselves is this will inevitable lead to mistakes or manipulation by others.

Absolute authority comes from within. Anyone who tells you differently is either trying to sell you something or enlist you as part of the power structure of their cult. This is what Satan does. Satan wants to be the only authority in charge. People who are not in line with Satan's ideology are sharing power and giving power to others as opposed to getting people to kneel to authority with blind obedience and loyalty.


Wisdom and understanding come from God. He is near us alright but we need the holy Spirit to really understand. You either are influenced by the Spirit of God or ... perhaps evil spirits.

I do not disagree with you our wisdom and understanding comes from God. But I disagree with you on your ideas of the source of evil. Evil does not come from outside of ourselves. The source of evil comes from our human imperfections. Our human imperfections cause us to have needs and desires. It is our needs and desires which are the source of all that is evil in the World. Therefore we, human beings, are the source of all that is evil in the World. Whereas God is perfect, whole, and complete. Since God is perfect, whole, and complete God has no needs or desires. Since God does not have any needs or desires God is absolute goodness in the highest possible degree.

If we aspire to be like God then we would try to live our lives with the least amount of needs and desires. Since our needs and desires are the source of all that is evil in the World. Or, if we cannot keep them to a minimum then we need to find a way to satisfy them in such a way that it does not create any evil. To deny or suppress our needs and desires only amplifies them making matters worse in the end.

Words and ideas only exist in our minds. They do not exist in reality. Where as acts of evil do exist and occur in reality. Evil spirits are not the source of evil in my opinion and way of thinking. The fundamental problem of evil is it is based on subjective opinion on what is to be consider evil or good. This is why I've come to the conclusion how we practice our religion or just saying magic words does not absolve us of our sins. The only way to attain absolution for our sins is by getting forgiveness from the people we have actually sinned against (or least in their minds based on their subjective judgments and opinions). My way of thinking about sin is much more anthropocentric and much more difficult to live a morally good life. You have to take very good care of your relationships with others in order to achieve salvation. When you create suffering in others you will inevitably live a life of suffering. Our brains have a nasty way of punishing our hubris with self-inflicting wounds.
 
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