Satan, Satanism and Christianity

[Viker]

Angels do have freewill.
One clarification: Satan's fall is just a mythological tale to explain that Heavenly intelligences (angels) have chosen separation instead of unity.
Satan and the demons are just manifestation of the opposition to oneness.
Heaven is the Oneness with God.

Viker, if you identify with the vision of Satan portrayed in the Carducci's poem Hymn to Satan, that means you don't worship the Biblical Satan. I guess...I may be wrong.

I don't worship the Biblical Satan. You can sigh in relief now.

 

[Flankerl]

I mean the Satan described in the Bible

This sentence is incredibly hilarious if you are a Jew.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This sentence is incredibly hilarious if you are a Jew.

I was just going to say something about that.

 

[1137]

This sentence is incredibly hilarious if you are a Jew.

That's for sure.

 

[Whiterain]

Most Satanists see it as a gag and don't even believe in Satan, actually Atheists. The Church of Satan is more of a
cult surrounding sexual deviance than actual worship of the fallen one and they do not believe he is real.

I think Satan and Lucifer can be two seperate beings, with an entire kingdom of "demons" opposing
the Lord, look at Persian mythology with Ahura Mazda and his rival or brother Angra Mainyu, Persian and
Hindu myth are counterparts of each other.

Although, I do seem to imagine Satan as a more ancient being known as Samael, which I think is
the foundation of Satan to begin with, through various mis-translations and monotheism is general.

But as I mentioned the Kingdom and princes of Hell, and
demonology, which is really fun.

I'm not a worshiper but I find it interesting.

Also Space Satan,

It's hip, it's cool, it's trendy.

Hail Satan.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't worship the Biblical Satan. You can sigh in relief now.

It is not devilish to believe in man's divinity. Anthropocentrism is very Christian-like. I dare say that Christianity is one of the most anthropocentric doctrines on Earth. The problem is that Christians are not Christians because they don't put Christ's teachings into actions.

I guess that you believe in a deity that believes in the greatness of human nature. And in its autonomy from any God.
That's Christianity: to be autonomous from God

 

[Desert Snake]

It is not devilish to believe in man's divinity. Anthropocentrism is very Christian-like. I dare say that Christianity is one of the most anthropocentric doctrines on Earth. The problem is that Christians are not Christians because they don't put Christ's teachings into actions.

I guess that you believe in a deity that believes in the greatness of human nature. And in its autonomy from any God.
That's Christianity: to be autonomous from God

Sometimes Satanists are like 'Christian-lite'.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

It's the vision of Satan we Catholics have.
Satan is a symbol. It symbolizes the devilish concept according to which man is nothing. That man is evil and is doomed to sin and do evil.
Mary refused this vision and crushed the snake with her foot, symbol of this devilish vision of man (that is in the Bible)-
Mary is the total opposite of Satan. Mary symbolizes the concept of divine humanity. That is, man can become divine

I am curious to know why Mary is venerated in Pelagian Catholicism. I can see why in traditional Catholicism, because she was said to be "concieved without original sin," but to Pelagian Catholics, all people are conceived without original sin. How is she any different than the rest of us?

 

[Viker]

This sentence is incredibly hilarious if you are a Jew.

LOL.

 

[Desert Snake]

This sentence is incredibly hilarious if you are a Jew.

I'm not sure, you might be getting cultures mixed up with religion here. The only 'satan' concepts for those just reading the bible are not hollywood character portrayals or cultural 'villains' like Loki etc.

 

[Viker]

The Church of Satan is more of a
cult surrounding sexual deviance

:sarcastic

 

[Whiterain]

:sarcastic

Go on...

Seriously, I was looking to sit in on a sermon, all they wanted to do was ****.

I was waitin for the gospels and some fatty wants my johnsten.

 

[Viker]

Go on...

Seriously, I was looking to sit in on a sermon, all they wanted to do was ****.

I was waitin for the gospels and some fatty wants my johnsten.

You're just making **** up as you go along, aren't ya?

 

[Whiterain]

You're just making **** up as you go along, aren't ya?

irate:

 

[SoulDaemon]

being into black metal and other gloomy stuff by hobbies, i'm not really into "satan" as some people define it, evil, bad and altogether downward leading, it's not even my "deity" as some speak, just another word for some people to define atrocities, executed by other people. I like being free, without religions or beliefs that somebody else has set and made to chain you up. I walk my own path, whether it includes bad or good by any ones definition.

 

[Infinitum]

So far I fail to see how much of this has to do with either Satanism (as defined by the religious movement) nor LHP. For me this seems like yet another misinterpretation of Satanism solely because of their name -- something I doubt Satanists will ever get rid of because of their LaVeyan roots. That doesn't mean all LHP people a) worship something, b) have any sort of relationship with any version of Satan or that even a majority of LHPers would do so.

Sure, Satan is a common figure in Western culture, and familiar to those who have grown up in areas where Christianity is the main religion. There are many Christian sects out there with a strong mythology revolving around Satan, and it's very tempting to tap into that fear and make it into a sign of rebellion or mockery. Satan is in no way special, however. Had we lived in a say, Shinto society, the symbolic figurehead would be something different. I think that there are (especially young) Satanists out there who focus way too much on the shock value of LHP instead of forging themselves a proper spiritual path of it. Giving attention to these is a lot like feeding any troll: it's very counter-productive for everyone.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am curious to know why Mary is venerated in Pelagian Catholicism. I can see why in traditional Catholicism, because she was said to be "concieved without original sin," but to Pelagian Catholics, all people are conceived without original sin. How is she any different than the rest of us?

Pelagius didn't say that Mary is the only one born without original sin. Pelagius denies the existence of original sin (as I do). so sinning is a choice, depending on our freewill. We can choose whether to sin or not.

she's not different than us. we all can become like her

 

[Nada]

I do not believe in a place of fire and torment.This does not agree with the God of love described in the holy scriptures.God would never make such a place to have people and demons tortured for their past evil deed's.The eternal lake of fire is a symbolic place that represents eternal damnation.Total destruction.No eternal life.It is not a literal place where people are burned forever.God would never do such an evil thing to anyone.It says in the HS that Satan the Devil, is reserved for the eternal lake of fire,which people believe to be hell.How can physical fire and sulfur burn a spirit creature that is invisible? Spirit creatures cannot be harmed by physical elements.So we can clearly see that this is a symbolic place,not a literal one.

Here is an example of how God does not condone burning people alive in fires.
Jeremiah 7:31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.

Here is another.......


Jeremiah 32:35 They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded--nor did it enter my mind--that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.

So we can see that God finds this act detestable to Him.He also says it never entered His mind.


God will destroy those who do not adhere to His warnings and follow His commandments,but He will never torture anyone with fire forever.This is cruel and evil.This is not what God does.His character is not one of an evil God.God is love.He will destroy those who are destroying the earth and doing evil.Total destruction.No eternal life.

 

[Estro Felino]

God will destroy those who do not adhere to His warnings and follow His commandments,but He will never torture anyone with fire forever.This is cruel and evil.This is not what God does.His character is not one of an evil God.God is love.He will destroy those who are destroying the earth and doing evil.Total destruction.No eternal life.

In fact God didn't create Hell. and Hell doesn't exist, or at least, it's a metaphor to describe what will happen after the battle of Armageddon.
the battle of Armageddon is what I was talking about. But those who are defeated in that battle, won't die, in my opinion.
they will be thinking of their defeat and of their wickedness for eternity. and God has nothing to do with that.
If thinking of our defeat for eternity is not Hell, what is it?

 

[At The Left Hand ov God]

God will destroy those who do not adhere to His warnings and follow His commandments,but He will never torture anyone with fire forever.This is cruel and evil.This is not what God does.His character is not one of an evil God.God is love.He will destroy those who are destroying the earth and doing evil.Total destruction.No eternal life.

Oh the hypocrisy.