Once one has separated one's beliefs and worldview from evidence and reason,
one could wind up believing almost anything.
Tom
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one could wind up believing almost anything.
Tom
susanblange
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Animals can be a substitute for sin, but humans cannot. We are also supposed to eat the sacrifice. John 6:48-58. This passage regards the Eucharist where Christians are required to eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus. Christians have perverted the laws of God.
susanblange
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I think your statement refers to Christians. There are multiple English versions of the Bible and there are tens of thousands of Christian denominations. I am a Fundamentalist and I take the scriptures at their plain, literal meaning. Isaiah 1:18. "Come now, and let us reason together..." The second wise man was logical. The first was friendly and the third never said a word. It wasn't their knowledge that made them wise, it was their demeanor and deportment. The NT is full of contradictions and Christians can find anything in it to support their own beliefs.
whirlingmerc
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Christians do make Jesus part of their life and in that sense 'eat of his flesh and drink of his blood' making his life their life.
In that chapter of John, Jesus may have been acting as 'the refiner' and 'separating wheat from chaff' as some followed him for wrong reasons and because of his hard sayings those who did not truly believe and were not his turned away.
susanblange
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Every time a Christian takes communion, they are symbolically eating Jesus' body and drinking his blood. John 6:53. "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you". Are you calling Jesus a liar? Psalm 16:4. "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips".
whirlingmerc
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That is more a Catholic and to an extent a Luthern view
A reformed view would be Jesus is spiritually present plus the memorial
A dispensational view is only the memorial
susanblange
Active Member
I am a Fundamentalist and I take the scriptures at their plain, literal meaning. I do not accept the NT as scripture. There are a lot of contradictions and it's not consistent. It was also written generations after Jesus died. It's all hearsay. I have seen multitudes of prophecies from the OT literally fulfilled. The KJV is not perfect, but it is remarkably accurate.
FooYang
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JohnAmes
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I love these ideas.
abrahams wife sarah was barren, they had a son
isaac wifes rebekah was barren, they had a son
jacobs wife rachael was barren, they had a son joseph.
samuels mother was barren
samsons mother was barren
zechariahs wife elizabeth was barren, they had John the Baptist.
here comes the virgin messiah
susanblange
Active Member
The Messiah is also barren, but she's not a virgin. Isaiah 54:1. "Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife..." The Messiah is asexual, celibate, and frigid. Job 38:29. "Out of whose womb came the ice?" I think this is why Catholic priests do not marry, and are celibate.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Why don't we consider the 'bad' jesus, here.
There is a good jesus, just a different person.
There is also the wacky rabbi riddler, hardly lucifer.
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So, a 'bad yeshua', not the wacky riddler, and not g-d.
Ok, now traditionally, such a person might be considered lucifer, however how did lucifer manifest, as described in the bible? That type of manifestation? Lucifer is a fallen angel, hardly who is going to be the actual 'fake jesus', excluding wacky riddler yeshua.
Ben Dhyan
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Where does it say the Kingdom of God is known as the "New World Order"?
Correct, the Messiah is coming for the righteous on Judgement Day, this is explained in the Book of Revelation, but first He had to come and teach the true meaning of righteousness to a spiritually corrupt generation, succinctly expressed in two commandments....Matt 23:36-40.
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.". This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
susanblange
Active Member
The "New World Order" is the secular name for the Kingdom of God which is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Only God can establish it and it will last forever. Job 38:33. The greatest commandment is the first one, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". The second is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". These were the two commandments written on a clay tablet by the Messiah in 1984. Perjury is a lie under oath and it is a deadly sin.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
God was pointing out to Job in 38:33 that he must learn humility, that Job does not know or understand the laws of Heaven and Earth, it does not imply the establishment of a "new world order". However if you think it does, so be it, we will leave it at that.
Whooa.....who was the Messiah who wrote those two commandments on a clay tablet in 1984?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Thanks Terry for the heads up. I hope Susan is only joking, I don't want to think that she is serious, my heart would deeply saddened, for her sake.
susanblange
Active Member
All the signs of my spiritual rebirth have been fulfilled. They include: the three wise men and baptism in the river on the rocks, the drummer boy, the star in the east and visiting kings, the birth of Emanuel, and the flying roll (my diary). My calling ended on Mothers Day, Sunday morning, May 13, 1984 with the voice from Heaven that said, "Wake up Maggie" and the song by Rod Stewart played on the radio. A lot of messianic prophecies are not in the Bible. They are in books that were not canonized and are part of the oral tradition. In my first public appearance I ended the Cold War, I ended the civil war in Ireland between the Protestants and Catholics, I restored pride to the US military, and in 1988 I began to get the Jews out of Russia.