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Satanism vs Goddinsm

vaguelyhumanoid

vaguelyhumanoid

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Jesu disciple said:
is it? Do you have any evidence that these 'gods', were merely personifications of natural phenomena?
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I never said merely personifications, nor did I mean such. I'm talking about an animist worldview. In a polytheist worldview, Thor is the spiritual aspect of thunder, not just a metaphor for the scientific process. However, this does not contradict scientific knowledge, because Thor is not a creationist deity. As @Saint Frankenstein pointed out, thunder is a manifestation of Thor. This contrasts with the Abrahamic God, who is supernatural (i.e. above nature).

rusra02 said:
The Bible unmasks Satan as a wicked rebel spirit who arrogantly defies the true God, and 'misleads the entire inhabited earth'. (Revelation 12:9) Jesus Christ called Satan "a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44) Satan is largely responsible for the evil and bloodshed that fill the earth today, IMO, but will soon be removed and eventually be destroyed.
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That's all well and good, but Satan works for God in the book of Job. It's never really established that angels are capable of rebelling in Christianity, and in Judaism (which most Christian denominations see themselves as the successor to) and Islam they can't.
 
rusra02

rusra02

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vaguelyhumanoid said:
That's all well and good, but Satan works for God in the book of Job. It's never really established that angels are capable of rebelling in Christianity, and in Judaism (which most Christian denominations see themselves as the successor to) and Islam they can't.
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I have read nothing in the book of Job that suggests Satan works for God. To the contrary, Satan's arrogance was on full display when he claimed regarding Job; "he will surely curse you to your very face.” (Job 1:11, 2:5) I believe Job's integrity under the suffering Satan brought on him proved the Devil a base liar when he claimed men only serve Jehovah for selfish reasons. 2 Peter 2:4 describes Angels who sinned and their punishment.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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rusra02 said:
I have read nothing in the book of Job that suggests Satan works for God. To the contrary, Satan's arrogance was on full display when he claimed regarding Job; "he will surely curse you to your very face.” (Job 1:11, 2:5) I believe Job's integrity under the suffering Satan brought on him proved the Devil a base liar when he claimed men only serve Jehovah for selfish reasons. 2 Peter 2:4 describes Angels who sinned and their punishment.
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As GOD cannot be fooled.. The only thought one can think is that the devil actually served a purpose for GOD...
He actually helped GOD test Job's faith..
And as GOD itself cannot harm Job as he made no sin, he allows the Devil to do this thing for him.
 
The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Segev Moran said:
I'm referring to THE GOD....
Not A God...

And Yes.. The Devil is part of the GOD stories
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It's still not clear (to me, at any rate) what your notions of THE GOD and the Devil are. Similarly, which particular GOD stories are you referring to?
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Ya'quub said:
It's still not clear (to me, at any rate) what your notions of THE GOD and the Devil are. Similarly, which particular GOD stories are you referring to?
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As an Atheist.. All GOD stories are just the same for me...
Each describes some notion of a mighty and powerful entity while in contrast to it, there is always an Evil representation...

For the argument sake, Let's stick with the current Christian / Jewish / Islamic GOD

And my question refer to the idea of people worshiping the devil...
What is your take on that?
 
The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Segev Moran said:
As an Atheist.. All GOD stories are just the same for me...
Each describes some notion of a mighty and powerful entity while in contrast to it, there is always an Evil representation...

For the argument sake, Let's stick with the current Christian / Jewish / Islamic GOD

And my question refer to the idea of people worshiping the devil...
What is your take on that?
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The notion of a mighty, powerful entity battling against an evil entity is certainly central to my God story. However, my concept of God is rather different from the standard Abrahamic one. But to get things started, my take on your question: anyone who worships the Devil is my enemy.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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Ya'quub said:
The notion of a mighty, powerful entity battling against an evil entity is certainly central to my God story. However, my concept of God is rather different from the standard Abrahamic one. But to get things started, my take on your question: anyone who worships the Devil is my enemy.
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Why is he your enemy?
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Segev Moran said:
Hi All,

Forgive my subject.. couldn't think of a better way to put it...

So my question is how a religious person takes on the Satanism issue...

I'd assume one who believes GOD exists also believes the Devil exists...

I am not asking of course about the acts connected to Satanism.. that is under no circumstance a valid way of life from my pov...

But i am wondering whether the idea of worshiping Satan is valid...

It does follow the 10 commandments... and eventually... there is now commandment against convincing someone to do bad... (I think :()...
And Satan is accused of being manipulative but I don't think i was ever taught that Satan actually did anything (Actually made the action itself)...

Would love to hear your take on the issue
Regards
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Can you clarify what the question is (if there is one)?
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Segev Moran said:
To save time..
Has satan ever did something..? i mean actually committed the action.. I really don't know that's why i ask...
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He can only do what God will allow him to do. In the book of Job it was Satan who killed Job's children and all his livestock. First he had to get permission from God to do it, though.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

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First Baseman said:
He can only do what God will allow him to do. In the book of Job it was Satan who killed Job's children and all his livestock. First he had to get permission from God to do it, though.
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So besides the famous Job story.. which makes god worse than the devil in a sense...
has the devil done anything else that is of direct action against someone...
I'm not talking about manipulating people to doing something of course
 
First Baseman

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Segev Moran said:
So besides the famous Job story.. which makes god worse than the devil in a sense...
has the devil done anything else that is of direct action against someone...
I'm not talking about manipulating people to doing something of course
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I'm not sure where you are going with this. I just told you that the devil can only do what God will allow. Yes, the devil would destroy you right now if he could.
 
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