Satanists who aren't Setians, Luciferians who aren't Satanists, etc.

[JesusChrist.expert]

Be careful with the proselytizing, it's against the rules here.

Is the truth against the rules too?

 

[1137]

Is the truth against the rules too?

No, that's why we also have non Christian forums for religions that make at least slight sense.

 

[crossfire]

Isaiah Chapter 14: 12-20
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! howart thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee,saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and asthe raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Revelation 12: 1-12
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

How is this a clear comparison?
of Helel (translated as Lucifer)

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. {Sheol, the grave. Man is mortal and must die.}
16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee,saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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This part from Revelations sounds more like Helel than the dragon:

4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.​

In Revelations, the Dragon is cast onto the earth, not into Sheol, the grave pit.

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.​

So, I would say that upon examining the details, any possible connection is totally unclear. (Your mileage may vary. Thank you for playing.)

 

[JesusChrist.expert]

No, that's why we also have non Christian forums for religions that make at least slight sense.

God bless you my friend. You have courage and I like that. I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.

 

[Ahanit]

@JesusChrist.expert
I am a Setian. Not a Luciferian nor a Satanist...
And I know what I do and believe I do not need a Sheep to tell me how to walk through the world. What is included in the Bible is irrelevant, because the Old testament is based on thora what was written first by the Macabaeian to excuse war against other tribes, because being better having the right god... blah blah.. And the new Testament was written by old man in the 6 century, using only those texts fitting to their wish for more power for excusing war, and thievery and murder...
Explain your bible to those who do not know the truth and want to hear it. There are wonderful big sections for monotheists and many people who want to believe, have fun with them.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Are you a Satanist who isn't a luciferian, a setian who isn't a Satanist, so forth.

I am an Aryan Sabian Satanist. For me, Satan and Lucifer are different names for the same being, who is my greatest teacher. Set is for me the same being known by others as Yahweh, who is my enemy (as he is Satan's enemy).

 

[Ahanit]

The Association between Set and Yahweh is new to me, can you explain this Idea a little bit?

 

[Liu]

That would interest me as well, and an explanation of your religion's name, please.

But I see some reason in it: In ancient Egypt, Set was the good of foreign lands and of storms, among other things, and I read due to that even some of the Jews equated him with their own god as they were foreigners there and Yahweh was originally a god of storms, too.
Furthermore, Set is the one who fights against Apep in some versions of the myth, and at least in some ways Apep can be compared to Satan.
Is it one of those reasons, or something else entirely?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

The Association between Set and Yahweh is new to me, can you explain this Idea a little bit?

This:

But I see some reason in it: In ancient Egypt, Set was the good of foreign lands and of storms, among other things, and I read due to that even some of the Jews equated him with their own god as they were foreigners there and Yahweh was originally a god of storms, too.

and an explanation of your religion's name, please

Aryans = noble ones. Various Gnostic groups have in the past been labelled 'Sabian' (including in the Qur'an) - I specifically ally myself with the Cainites (we place Cain (p) in particularly high esteem) - but many of the original Gnostics at least, whatever our allegiance, see Yahweh as the Creator of the universe, yes - the Demiurge - but nevertheless, a lower god than the First God, indeed an evil god, who went against the First God in creating the universe. Satanist I have already explained. But to add, I believe that Satan is a servant of the First God - this is why he is an enemy of Yahweh and has been much maligned by the worshippers of Yahweh in their holy books. We work ultimately for the dissolution of the universe, the return of all things to Chaos, Who is the First God.

 

[Liu]

Ah, so you're an anti-cosmic gnostic satanist - that I understand much better than your title. I like that kind of worldview even if my own differs a bit from it (I basically see the demiurge as a mere aspect of what you call the first god), and we don't have many gnostics here, of any denomination. So, welcome to RF!

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Ah, so you're an anti-cosmic gnostic satanist - that I understand much better than your title. I like that kind of worldview even if my own differs a bit from it (I basically see the demiurge as a mere aspect of what you call the first god), and we don't have many gnostics here, of any denomination. So, welcome to RF!

Yeah. I use the terms 'Aryan' and 'Sabian' because of the connotations of those two words, but anti-cosmic gnostic works too! I should say I also think the Demiurge is one part of the First God (as all things are), so I'm something of a pantheist too.