Saudi Arabia regime and their allies destorying Yeman .

[Godobeyer]

I'm not defending anyone here and what happened to other countries in this specific subject in irrelevant. The fact I know is that if Iran won this war, Saudi Arabia is done for. All the deaths in this war is on Iran and the stupidity of Hoothees for following them, not Saudi Arabia.

Hoothess are Yemens , so why KSA put it's nose between the Yemans ?

You mean just as the Hoothees (an army) bombed civil areas far from military bases in Najran? The media that you believe said that the Hoothees targeted schools and hospitals. They are doing the same thing you're holding against Saudi Arabia.

both are wrong when bombing civilians .

which more ?
Hoothees bombed civil areas in Najara city .
KSA bombed civil areas in whole Yemen !!!

I'm afraid I don't understand the logic behind saying this. I'm not suppose to worry about fasting 60 days for an act I perform to protect my country.

ما حكم قتل الخطأ ؟
there is no exception in Islam when killing innocents by "error" , so the killder should fasting 60 continous days , do you think so fasting 60 days need fatwas ?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hoothess are Yemens , so why KSA put it's nose between the Yemans ?

We talked about this before. It involved Yemen itself calling for help, not Saudi Arabia doing it on its own, and the Irani plan to surround the Gulf Countries to massacre us. I mentioned this before in their intentions to massacre specially Hijazi people. You're not part of the equation so you don't have the right to judge.

both are wrong when bombing civilians .

which more ?
Hoothees bombed civil areas in Najara city .
KSA bombed civil areas in whole Yemen !!!

Which is more what, if I may ask?

ما حكم قتل الخطأ ؟
there is no exception in Islam when killing innocents by "error" , so the killder should fasting 60 continous days , do you think so fasting 60 days need fatwas ?

Okay, maybe they should fast 60 days. That still does make a difference to people having to protect themselves. It is not like the Hoothees had no weapons of mass destruction too.

 

[Jumi]

@Smart_Guy why do you think the Iranians would massacre the people of Hijaz in particular?

 

[Godobeyer]

We talked about this before. It involved Yemen itself calling for help, not Saudi Arabia doing it on its own, and the Irani plan to surround the Gulf Countries to massacre us. I mentioned this before in their intentions to massacre specially Hijazi people. You're not part of the equation so you don't have the right to judge.

unsign president Hadi called for help !!! so IF Hoothees request the help of Iran , so it's would be great war .

So why Saudi Arabia did not set down "negotiate" with Iran in first place .

"massacre us"this is prejudge , it's seems the massacre began by Saudi Arabia by killing Yemens Arabs/Muslims

I am not sure if you agree with this war or not , or agree to be stop or not . but how you defending seizing and killing people because they became pro-Iran ,just because of thoughts and opinions !!!!

Which is more what, if I may ask?

the area of bombing .
and destruction and victimes ...etc

Okay, maybe they should fast 60 days. That still does make a difference to people having to protect themselves. It is not like the Hoothees had no weapons of mass destruction too.

I am glade that you agree with me about 2 months of fast .

 

[Godobeyer]

@Smart_Guy why do you think the Iranians would massacre the people of Hijaz in particular?

good question , i am curious if there is a reasonable answser or just thoughts and prejudging .


so the same thing when someone wished that: IF West killing all Muslims , because they believe ALL Muslims are bad , and threaten.

 

[columbus]

there is no exception in Islam when killing innocents by "error" , so the killder should fasting 60 continous days , do you think so fasting 60 days need fatwas ?

Muslims think that fasting for 2 months makes murder OK?

Tom

 

[Smart_Guy]

@Smart_Guy why do you think the Iranians would massacre the people of Hijaz in particular?

It's in their beliefs to kill the kind of Muslims I am unconditionally because of some made up crimes they believe our ancestors did. Hijazi people are holding the Islamic heritage the most among others because they inherited it ever since then. Their fatwas are all over the internet. Unfortunately I cannot find ones translated.

unsign president Hadi called for help !!! so IF Hoothees request the help of Iran , so it's would be great war .

So why Saudi Arabia did not set down "negotiate" with Iran in first place .

"massacre us"this is prejudge , it's seems the massacre began by Saudi Arabia by killing Yemens Arabs/Muslims

I am not sure if you agree with this war or not , or agree to be stop or not . but how you defending seizing and killing people because they became pro-Iran ,just because of thoughts and opinions !!!!

Like I said, we talked about this before. Hadi is the legit authority there and Hoothees are trouble makers that want to go against the legal lawful ruler which is forbidden in Islam. I thought you knew that.

I don't want any war. I think I implied that before. I'm also not defending killing people. I'm being realist in knowing that no war ever takes place without innocents getting involved these days. I think that's a common knowledge.

Also, all we do is hear the news and make judgements from far away places from behind a monitor like we are perfect being that know all details of everything. Instead of demonizing Saudi Arabia or Yemen, we should just hope this all ends.

the area of bombing .
and destruction and victimes ...etc

It's a war yet the Hoothees targeted innocent civilian areas instead of military for nothing related to the war. That says what kind of people they are and what their intentions are. What matters is the intention. I believe all Muslims know that. إنما الأعمال بالنيات

I am glade that you agree with me about 2 months of fast .

Killing by mistake has the repentance on fasting 2 months. I believe all Muslims know that, tho I still don't see how it is relevant.

 

[ShivaFan]

Someone here in the thread said Saudi Arabia supported ISIS. That is nonsense. I suppose it is possible that some Saudi nationals gave ISIS money or terrorists, but for that matter so hsve some U.S. nationals given money or terrorists to ISIS. That doesn't mean U.S. or Saudi supported ISIS, that just means a few nationals did, it really means nothing. The King has never supported ISIS. He knows ISIS is actually a threat to the Two Holy Mosques.

 

[Godobeyer]

Muslims think that fasting for 2 months makes murder OK?

Tom

Yes Muslim who kill (not intentionnally ) , for exemple car accident , or fighting ...etc , the killer "he/she" should fasting 2 continous months .

not intentionnally once , it's just in error .

so the murder (intnetionnally ) that other story .

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes Muslim who kill (not intentionnally ) , for exemple car accident , or fighting ...etc , the killer "he/she" should fasting 2 continous months .

not intentionnally once , it's just in error .

so the murder (intnetionnally ) that other story .

I think in war the case is different. Not sure tho, I believe the right thing to do is to ask those in knowledge فاسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون

 

[gsa]

Someone here in the thread said Saudi Arabia supported ISIS. That is nonsense. I suppose it is possible that some Saudi nationals gave ISIS money or terrorists, but for that matter so hsve some U.S. nationals given money or terrorists to ISIS. That doesn't mean U.S. or Saudi supported ISIS, that just means a few nationals did, it really means nothing. The King has never supported ISIS. He knows ISIS is actually a threat to the Two Holy Mosques.

Have you examined the Syrian extremists that the KSA supports officially? The ones led by Salafi extremists who coordinate with al Qaeda? Who call for cleansing Damascus of all Shiites and "Nusayris," the derogatory term for Alawites that certain Sunni extremists use, including at least one on this site? And no doubt, if they get too strong, KSA will support a rival to achieve balance of power and a frightening equilibrium of carnage.

 

[Jumi]

It's in their beliefs to kill the kind of Muslims I am unconditionally because of some made up crimes they believe our ancestors did. Hijazi people are holding the Islamic heritage the most among others because they inherited it ever since then. Their fatwas are all over the internet. Unfortunately I cannot find ones translated.

What is different about Hijazi Muslims as compared to Sunnis in general?

 

[Smart_Guy]

What is different about Hijazi Muslims as compared to Sunnis in general?

The same, except that we live in Hijaz that has the two holy mosques, the target of Iran. When they want to take control of this land, I can only imagine what will happen to its people being already Sunnis. I don't even know what they plan to do to the two holy mosques, let alone the Sunnis around it. We already were the victims of a well known movement, but luckily it was more political than religious, with religious still being not that low of a priority. To Iran, it is religious 100%.

 

[Flankerl]

Perhaps they would demolish all those ugly buildings around the Kaaba? Could be a start.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Perhaps they would demolish all those ugly buildings around the Kaaba? Could be a start.

Believe it or not, I agree with the idea and always wondered why it was not applied
The answer unfortunately is irresponsibility and lack of care, ma'am

 

[Godobeyer]

I think in war the case is different. Not sure tho, I believe the right thing to do is to ask those in knowledge فاسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون

I am not very sure too .

but in logical and step by step , the blood of innocent (soul) Muslim or non-Muslim ,sensitive and forbiden (Haram).

i am affraid you wrong about this , killing innocent in Islam is forbiden in war or in peace .

so the 2 months for each soul is could be required , in some cases (as revenge) or random , that God who will decide the "intentional" النيه :الانتقام . القتل العشوائي

since the bombs had big range of demolish and killing , so let's blame the range , not the pilote?


lets suppse that you are a pilote and you bomb home as enemy target , then you discover that you made mistake (they were innocents) , what you will do , you will fast for each soul or try to find fatwa ?

 

[Flankerl]

Believe it or not, I agree with the idea and always wondered why it was not applied
The answer unfortunately is irresponsibility and lack of care, ma'am

That clock tower. Its like... someone put up an ugly building on purpose.

And its not applied because the al Sauds want the money of the pilgrims.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I am not very sure too .

but in logical and step by step , the blood of innocent (soul) Muslim or non-Muslim ,sensitive and forbiden (Haram).

i am affraid you wrong about this , killing innocent in Islam is forbiden in war or in peace .

so the 2 months for each soul is could be required , in some cases (as revenge) or random , that God who will decide the "intentional" النيه :الانتقام . القتل العشوائي

since the bombs had big range of demolish and killing , so let's blame the range , not the pilote?

lets suppse that you are a pilote and you bomb home as enemy target , then you discover that you made mistake (they were innocents) , what you will do , you will fast for each soul or try to find fatwa ?

I personally would not even put myself in a job that kills people, but to answer your question, I personally would fast the 2 months because I always like to give the max I can give.

But remember this: أسرعكم للقتوى أقربكم إلى النار
I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, I'm saying to go with the current and not be radicals in not considering exceptions.

If waging wars to protect from rape, murder, exile, etc., is considered a simple matter to you to not consider exceptions or special cases, it isn't for those who actually take a side in the equation like those who are actually in the war. No, I'm not saying it means okay to kill the innocent. I'm talking about the possibilities of exceptions here.

That clock tower. Its like... someone put up an ugly building on purpose.

And its not applied because the al Sauds want the money of the pilgrims.

Oh hehe

You mean buildings like those, I see. I thought you meant the old random buildings around it that do not follow the regulations. Yeah, it is possibly designed ugly in the subjective thinking, but I personally can't say it is ugly in the objective thinking since it is well polished. And I don't disagree with you because I don't know the purpose behind it really

 

[Godobeyer]

I personally would not even put myself in a job that kills people, but to answer your question, I personally would fast the 2 months because I always like to give the max I can give.

and that's what expect from you

But remember this: أسرعكم للقتوى أقربكم إلى النار
I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, I'm saying to go with the current and not be radicals in not considering exceptions.

indeed
the extrem Fatwas which destroy the Muslim world

If waging wars to protect from rape, murder, exile, etc., is considered a simple matter to you to not consider exceptions or special cases, it isn't for those who actually take a side in the equation like those who are actually in the war. No, I'm not saying it means okay to kill the innocent. I'm talking about the possibilities of exceptions here.

I disagree with you in two points :
1- that you build your opinion from media (extrem media of Shia) and thoughts of extrem Sunni about Shia.
2- there is no possibilities of excpetions in kill innocents , or fasting 2 months for each soul .

for exemple :
so the pilote who kill Yemen family should fast 10 months , for killing 3 kids and their parents .

 

[Smart_Guy]

I disagree with you in two points :
1- that you build your opinion from media (extrem media of Shia) and thoughts of extrem Sunni about Shia.
2- there is no possibilities of excpetions in kill innocents , or fasting 2 months for each soul .

for exemple :
so the pilote who kill Yemen family should fast 10 months , for killing 3 kids and their parents .

I respect your agreement, bro.
1- I build my opinion on evidences they use from their own books written by their trusted clergymen. A simple Google search for like example دليل قتل السنة will give you enough results. I think if those were extreme then the whole belief is.
2- أسرعكم للفتوى أقربكم إلى النار Remember? Also, I'm not saying the exception in allowing to kill the innocent, I'm talking about the incidental cases of having innocent casualties.

This is a war, not a simple misunderstanding of a bunch of bystanders. Millions of lives are on the line here thanks to Iran.

By the way, I think of Shiaa as brothers and sisters and don't hold anything against them. Their beliefs, the ones taught by their well known clergymen, is what worries me. And with Taqiyyah between the line, I really don't know what to do.