Saudi Arabian court sentences Palestinian poet Ashraf Fayadh to death for apostasy

[Flankerl]

I say this because obviously the first two Christian sects to encounter the "little brother" of the Abrahamic faiths were Roman Catholics & Byzantine/Greek Orthodox

That's not really true. They encountered Islam before the East-West Schism.

How about Chalcedonian Christianity?

 

[Nietzsche]

That's not really true. They encountered Islam before the East-West Schism.

How about Chalcedonian Christianity?

pft. The official schism was indeed later, but I think it's very safe to say that the differences had long been building up.

 

[RocketJSquirell]

Not quite. They called them 'Muhammadans' because they initially thought that Muslims viewed him(Muhammad) the way they(Christians) did Jesus, with a bit of Mary thrown in. I say this because obviously the first two Christian sects to encounter the "little brother" of the Abrahamic faiths were Roman Catholics & Byzantine/Greek Orthodox, who as you know, use "worship" or revere Mary as a 'link' to Jesus and through Jesus, to God/YHWH/Allah.

Catholics have, and in some cases still do, get similar accusations by other Christians(read-as Protestants and Even-More-Than-Usual-Historically-Incompetent Christians who reject the Protestant label in favour of something nigh-hipster like, such as Latter-Day Saint or Jehovah's Witness) as worshiping Mary in the stead of God.

Effectively, Muslims do think of Mohamed as Christians think of Jesus. That is why criticism of the "perfect example" is forbidden, why they have adopted the idea that it is forbidden to visually represent Mohamed (a prohibition formerly reserved only for G-d) and why the statement of faith, the Shahada, is "There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God."

Mohamed is considered to be beyond reproach.

 

[Nietzsche]

Effectively, Muslims do think of Mohamed as Christians think of Jesus. That is why criticism of the "perfect example" is forbidden, why they have adopted the idea that it is forbidden to visually represent Mohamed (a prohibition formerly reserved only for G-d) and why the statement of faith, the Shahada, is "There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God."

Mohamed is considered to be beyond reproach.

But it's not just Mohamed they don't think should be depicted. That line of thought applies to the other figures in the Bible as well. Moses, Jesus, Noah, ect. Mohamed gets the most press because he's the one "exclusive" to them, and in their view, he brought down the last words of God. He "completed" what'd been started by Abraham, ect.

 

[Lyndon]

Effectively, Muslims do think of Mohamed as Christians think of Jesus. That is why criticism of the "perfect example" is forbidden, why they have adopted the idea that it is forbidden to visually represent Mohamed (a prohibition formerly reserved only for G-d) and why the statement of faith, the Shahada, is "There is no god but God. Muhammad is the messenger of God."

Mohamed is considered to be beyond reproach.

Now you're really talking crap, no Muslim will tell you Mohammad was perfect.

 

[YmirGF]

Now you're really talking crap, no Muslim will tell you Mohammad was perfect.

True. They will tell you that he was just a man, but at the same time they will also tell you he is the perfect example for people to follow. Bit of a catch-22, really.

 

[Nietzsche]

True. They will tell you that he was just a man, but at the same time they will also tell you he is the perfect example for people to follow. Bit of a catch-22, really.

Eh, hardly unique to Islam, that. I'm all for pointing out Islamic flaws, but let's call a spade a spade and recognize that this particular trait is endemic to nigh-all faiths, specifically the ones based around historical or mostly-historical figures.

 

[YmirGF]

Eh, hardly unique to Islam, that. I'm all for pointing out Islamic flaws, but let's call a spade a spade and recognize that this particular trait is endemic to nigh-all faiths, specifically the ones based around historical or mostly-historical figures.

That may be, but the fevered pitch does not nearly hit the level of hysteria found in Islam on this matter.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Eh, hardly unique to Islam, that. I'm all for pointing out Islamic flaws, but let's call a spade a spade and recognize that this particular trait is endemic to nigh-all faiths, specifically the ones based around historical or mostly-historical figures.

Except that Christians don't deny worshiping Christ as God. So we're not being hypocritical in that respect.

 

[Lyndon]

I've yet to hear of a Muslim that worships Mohammad, or Jesus for that matter.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've yet to hear of a Muslim that worships Mohammad, or Jesus for that matter.

Perhaps people use a broad definition of "worship" to include "extreme veneration", eh?

 

[Nietzsche]

Except that Christians don't deny worshiping Christ as God. So we're not being hypocritical in that respect.

There are plenty of Christians who'd beg to differ with you on the whole Jesus=/=God thing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There are plenty of Christians who'd beg to differ with you on the whole Jesus=/=God thing.

I don't include them as part of my religion, personally. But that's just me. This is all besides the point, anyway.

 

[Glaurung]

I've yet to hear of a Muslim that worships Mohammad, or Jesus for that matter.

No, but many will scream for your beheading if you dare say anything unflattering about him. If that isn't worship then I don't know what is.

 

[dust1n]

What?... Anyone who doubts the legitimacy that Ashraf Fayadh has been sentenced to death has either made absolutely no attempt to verify it at all, or is simply seeing what they want to see. This would be far from the first time something like this has happened...


I've never been too keen on a our long standing alliance with the world's largest monarchy, and purveyor of Wahhabism ... doesn't very much make sense to me at all...

 

[beenie]

Many Muslims will say that Mohammad was the perfect example of a human being and will imitate him to the point that they walk and dress like him. Some will even imitate his everyday habits, and some will refuse to eat camel meat because Mohammad didn't like it. That is worshipping him whether they admit it or not.

Not all Muslims do this, obviously, but enough of them do for it to be apparent.