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Saved by faith and love, not law

Jesus freed us from bearing the burden of the law alone because it was a burden we could not bear proven by the fact that we broke the law over and over in our lives.

The bible tells you what God's will is it is everything true and good so acts do matter but look: We were freed from certain condemnation for not following the law by Jesus's sacrifice. So why follow it? LOVE. If you love God you keep his commandments out of love for Him.

In other words love transcends consequence because love is above all things. Why else would a God who already has everything come down from heaven in the person of Jesus and die on a cross for us? He already had everything because he was God. What did he gain for it for himself? Nothing it was for our gain. When you love something you do for their gain unconditionally. So if we love God we do for Him what makes Him happy and gives him joy which is to follow His commandments.

It may appeal to the pride to believe we are good enough to be saved through our own actions but Jesus is the only good one and it is more difficult to lower our pride and humble ourselves before the Lord in Jesus name.

In Romans 2:13 there are two category of people described there are those who hear the law but dont do it and those who actually do it. It says the ones who do it will be justified. We all fall into the category of those who hear the law but don't do it. Only Jesus falls into the category of the ones who followed the law in action so only he will be justified.

Don’t forget how Jesus closes his teaching on the Law. He says: “Whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven! But whoever keeps them and teaches others to do the same will be great in the kingdom of heaven.” So whoever breaks one of the least of the commandments shall be called least. But we all break even the least of the commandments so we will all be called least. Jesus is the only one who kept them so he will be called greater. So this is saying we are all considered lesser in the kingdom of heaven before Jesus and his glory and Jesus is the only one who will be called great in the kingdom of heaven because all glory praise and honor go to him, being as he is the only one who kept the commandments. It doens't mean we are can possibly keep the commandments we will break them and have to be forgiven.

Mathhew 23:23 "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay the tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgement, mercy, and faith: These ought ye have done, and not leave the other undone." Same thing as the previous chapters the Hebrew roots movement just needs a dose of humility in their interpretation perhaps. In other words we all fall under the same category as the scribes and Phariesses in that we paid the tithe of mint and anise and cummin but omitted the weightier matters of the law from our lives, judgement, mercy, and faith. These ought we all have done and not left the other undone, but only Jesus actually did these things.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Just a friendly note that since you wrote this two times on previous threads, this is spamming and is not allowed here at RF. Since I responded to the above on one of those previous threads, I'll not repeat it.
 

Burl

Active Member
LOVE. If you love God you keep his commandments out of love for Him.
We each gravitate towards the SOURCE at our own pace, with the freedom to reject FOR ANY REASON at any moment what we find counter to our own experience. So an esoteric can delve into what exactly is the meaning of LOVE, and if we love God then how would we treat Him if He appeared INCOGNITO amongst us as a test. I like the phrase "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" and my Love (inclusive resolution of conflict) may someday win out over my Hate (exclusive resolution of conflict)
 
Just a friendly note that since you wrote this two times on previous threads, this is spamming and is not allowed here at RF. Since I responded to the above on one of those previous threads, I'll not repeat it.
Thank you. I did not know. Won't happen again, sorry.
 
We each gravitate towards the SOURCE at our own pace, with the freedom to reject FOR ANY REASON at any moment what we find counter to our own experience. So an esoteric can delve into what exactly is the meaning of LOVE, and if we love God then how would we treat Him if He appeared INCOGNITO amongst us as a test. I like the phrase "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" and my Love (inclusive resolution of conflict) may someday win out over my Hate (exclusive resolution of conflict)
If we love God we will do what he tells us to that much is clear. The first and greatest commandment spells out that our love should be perfect in order to be following this commandment. Obviously this is impossible for us to do all the time. We could, if God allowed us to, show perfect love through Jesus in a single act or two, or even all the time if we chose to, but we are born into sin and our ability to choose God over sin has not been molded into perfection yet (if it ever will be).
 
We each gravitate towards the SOURCE at our own pace, with the freedom to reject FOR ANY REASON at any moment what we find counter to our own experience. So an esoteric can delve into what exactly is the meaning of LOVE, and if we love God then how would we treat Him if He appeared INCOGNITO amongst us as a test. I like the phrase "Prepare ye the way of the Lord" and my Love (inclusive resolution of conflict) may someday win out over my Hate (exclusive resolution of conflict)
We now are saved by Jesus's grace and our belief in him. If we believe in Jesus we will follow what Jesus did and he followed the law. But we will always break the law which shows our belief in Jesus isn't perfect. But we can be forgiven for all these things by Jesus. But we are not saved by the law directly we are directly saved by Jesus's grace at cavalry and our belief in him. But you see how it's all interconnected?
 

Subhankar Zac

Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Jesus didn't free us from anything and we're not saved by anyone but by our minds that are in our control.
 

Burl

Active Member
Forbearance permits different faiths and 'masters' doesn't it? So you and I can disagree and yet it can be true for Melisaross85
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Because for the most of us being saved is preferable to fate and atonement

"Most of us"? Who is this "us" you speak of? And what is this "atonement" you speak of? Of what do you speak when you say "fate"?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Us fumbling incompetents.

...I'm no closer to understanding whom you're talking about.

Reparation thru punishment.

How is punishment in any way repairative? I've always regarded it as avoidance.

Fate is a course of events determined by our actions.

So you mean Destiny, then.

Because Fate in the Classical (i.e. Greco-Roman) sense is something wholly beyond our control, something that everyone and everything, human, animal, deity, is subject to.
 
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