Desert Snake
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Atonement addresses forgiveness, does it not? If you are trying to say that one must do nothing but accept Jesus, then we are left with what that actually means.
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Atonement addresses forgiveness, does it not? If you are trying to say that one must do nothing but accept Jesus, then we are left with what that actually means.
psychoslice
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There is only one law, and that is not found in scripture, but written in our heart.
Burl
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Haven't you heard people say "You're going to pay!" meaning jail time?
It's the same with Deities; Sadism is often adjunct to power.
No; Fate is adjustable in a 'Do as you would be done by' world.
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Burl
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The punishment of being visited by our own ways is something we may prefer to avoid thru forgiveness or the often time consuming method of atonement.
I'm not implying that one need accept Jesus of Nazareth.
Yes, and it's a reference to a time, largely forgotten, in our culture when these matters weren't ever about punishment. The "payment" in question is called a weregild.
Not really. Fate cannot be fought, even by the strongest Gods. Hence terms like "fatalism."
Destiny, however, can be changed; it's related to the word "destination."
Desert Snake
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Burl
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How does one argue that the payment of a weregild is not punitive?
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Burl
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Elaborate the question please.
That masochists may prefer atonement.
It's not meant to be punitive, even if it has that as a side effect in some cases.
Punishment is about making the recipient feel bad for what they did, while making the giver feel better. It's meant to control a person's behavior via shame and guilt.
Weregild is more about debts, and it only exists on the human level, within what's called the Inneryard. Taking something away from someone necessitates giving something back of equal value. A weregild is in place when one of the parties in this exchange is unwilling to make such a payment, or when the exchange is initiated without the consent of one of the parties (i.e., the "wronged.") This system doesn't care how people feel about the whole situation.