Savior Gates

[exchemist]

If a person dosent lead by example, then that person is easily dismissed. Besides, who is going to willingly follow Bill Gates ideas anyways? Can't even produce a good quality product, much less produce a good meal.

No one is waiting for Gates. He's just reporting on what is already happening, whether he is part of it or not. But he's pushing some bits along, which is helpful, and he helps create useful PR.

 

[danieldemol]

If a person dosent lead by example, then that person is easily dismissed.

See post #9 and post #12

 

[danieldemol]

By the way, nobody considers Gates to be our "savior" he is just a man who happens to be supporting some good ideas.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Bill Gates is human, and therefore not ever going to be perfect. Yet, he is proving himself to be a terrific philanthropist, and someone who is taking a deep interest in a number of the problems that humanity faces -- and trying to do something about those problems.

So I kind of wonder why a thread would be opened to essentially disparage him -- do we only accept "good works" from those who are perfect? Or our own color, religion, gender? How about that old notion of "give credit where credit is due," followed up with, "if you haven't got anything nice to say, why say anything at all?"

 

[exchemist]

IMO, not enough people are going to change how they act to affect climate change.
If he really wanted to do something useful, he ought to give money to the scientists working for a solution to climate change.

According to the CBS article, that is exactly what Gates is doing.

 

[ecco]

Bill Gates Goes Full Captain Planet, Wants To Change 'Every Aspect Of Economy' While We Dine On Fake Meat | ZeroHedge

You are known by the company you keep, or in this case, your source of information:

Zero Hedge is a far-right libertarian financial blog
Owned by ABC Media Limited (Bulgaria)​

It's not surprising that conservative Christians gravitate to right-wing anti-science sites. Y'all are just hopin' for The End Of Days in your lifetimes so you really don't give a rats *** about the future.

 

[Nakosis]

According to the CBS article, that is exactly what Gates is doing.

Yes, great minds think alike.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The name may be fictional, but the author is a real person.
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I suppose it is a matter of opinion and perspective concerning Kennedy or Gates. There’s that worn out, but true
catchphrase “Follow the money”, so the question is who stands to profit more in money or power?
Kennedy has spent years fighting against the big guys for health and the environment, yet it appears he hasn’t gained too much except a lot of condemnation.
Bill Gates on the other hand, as well as being lifted up as an expert on technology, medicine, health, agriculture, transportation, global population and climate, and more, keeps investing millions and making trillions.

I hear you. I will tell you some alternatives to what Kennedy is saying, because I have been tracking some of this..a little.

I was never a fan of Bill Gates who had been terribly aggressive at growing his company, monopolizing. His company drove independent programmers to band together to create free and open software. Microsoft was so anticompetitive that it was like a paranoid cell mate. Its own customers were never safe in the same space. (Though considering the behavior of various other companies maybe such paranoia was justified.) Gates is anticompetitive as Rockefeller, but recall that late in life Rockefeller became a philanthropist. His competitive nature did not preclude an ability to do good. Rockefeller was a cold as steel competitor, ran lots of people out of business, then he retired and started sponsoring education and building libraries for the public. Weird. Yes. True. Also yes.

Gates has a very competitive streak and is buying farmland....but he is not the reason farmers have left farming. Regulations are heavy. The farms have been regulated out of existence or structured out of the market. Family farms are practically illegal in this country, not because they aren't permitted but because they aren't permitted to sell anything in a competitive profitable fashion. All farms small and large are regulated in the same way, which is bad for small farms. 90% of livestock is owned by the few large companies that can afford to meet regulations and take huge risks. Bill Gates buying farmland may actually be a good thing. He's unlikely to make things worse than they already are.

Cement & Steel. Mr. Gates has been researching ways of making concrete and steel in a way that makes a lot less CO2, and (whatever his interest in farms and fungi) this is far more CO2-relevant than meat & vegetables. Concrete and steel make up a huge percentage of the excess CO2 humans produce. The methods his people have found are very good news, and so the only question is how to make them inexpensive and get concrete industries to adopt them.

Malaria. He's been funding people working to destroy, permanently, the virus Malaria. That's one of the worst diseases in human history. It is an honorable thing. I don't see anybody else stepping in to do this, and Mr. Gates is under no pressure to. Warren Buffet isn't fighting Malaria or trying to come up with lower CO2 concrete etc. I can't see this being an insidious plot.

 

[InChrist]

By the way, nobody considers Gates to be our "savior" he is just a man who happens to be supporting some good ideas.

Maybe nobody considers Bill Gates to be a savior, though he comes across as if he considers himself a savior and one who has solutions to the world’s problems.

 

[danieldemol]

Maybe nobody considers Bill Gates to be a savior, though he comes across as if he considers himself a savior and one who has solutions to the world’s problems.

Well to my knowledge he has never claimed to be a saviour so perhaps its all in your imagination.

 

[InChrist]

Bill Gates is human, and therefore not ever going to be perfect. Yet, he is proving himself to be a terrific philanthropist, and someone who is taking a deep interest in a number of the problems that humanity faces -- and trying to do something about those problems.

So I kind of wonder why a thread would be opened to essentially disparage him -- do we only accept "good works" from those who are perfect? Or our own color, religion, gender? How about that old notion of "give credit where credit is due," followed up with, "if you haven't got anything nice to say, why say anything at all?"

Of course credit should be given to whomever it is due.
The problem I see with Gates is that upon further investigation his “philanthropy“ may not be based solely in neutral good will as much as it is motivated by a self-serving interest and a ...
“commitment to promote neoliberal economic policies and corporate globalisation”.
Bill Gates' foundation has been accused of 'dangerously skewing' aid priorities


Gated Development - is the Gates Foundation always a force for good?

 

[InChrist]

Well to my knowledge he has never claimed to be a saviour so perhaps its all in your imagination.

I’m not saying he has ever claimed to be a savior or ever will claim he is, but he acts like he thinks can control and manipulate things in the world with his money, as if he has godlike power.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Of course credit should be given to whomever it is due.
The problem I see with Gates is that upon further investigation his “philanthropy“ may not be based solely in neutral good will as much as it is motivated by a self-serving interest and a ...
“commitment to promote neoliberal economic policies and corporate globalisation”.
Bill Gates' foundation has been accused of 'dangerously skewing' aid priorities


Gated Development - is the Gates Foundation always a force for good?

Just out of curiousity, do you think that if somebody does good for a whole lot of people, but in doing so gains a benefit for themself too, that they ought to be censured? Would it have been better for the world that the good to all those others not ever have happened, so that the person who did the good could not also receive a benefit?

Please explain in detail.

 

[danieldemol]

I’m not saying he has ever claimed to be a savior or ever will claim he is, but he acts like he thinks can control and manipulate things in the world with his money, as if he has godlike power.

I think you are telling yourself a victim story that is not based in facts.

Perhaps you could do with some formal training in separating facts from victim stories. I recommend "crucial conversations" it's a short easy to read fun book and it will help you in your personal and other relationships.

 

[InChrist]

You are known by the company you keep, or in this case, your source of information:

Zero Hedge is a far-right libertarian financial blog
Owned by ABC Media Limited (Bulgaria)​

It's not surprising that conservative Christians gravitate to right-wing anti-science sites. Y'all are just hopin' for The End Of Days in your lifetimes so you really don't give a rats *** about the future.

Whether it is from sources on the right, left, or anywhere in between, there’s plenty on information on Bill Gates, his foundation and the endeavors he is funding, involved in and the impact.
Of course I care about the future. I love the beauty of the earth and I have grandkids. While I gladly appreciate those who make positive contributions which benefit the lives of people and the environment, I don’t necessarily think a lot of the things Bill Gates is pushing to be beneficial. On the contrary, it seems that much of his motivation is to increase profits and power for global corporate entities (funded and owned by him), rather than to help individual lives, communities or the environment.


“Characteristically, Gates’ approach to global problems put technology and his chemical, pharmaceutical and oil industry partners at the center of every solution. As it turned out, Gates’ “innovative strategy” for food production was to force America’s failed system of GMO, chemical and fossil fuel-based agriculture on poor African farmers.

African agricultural practices have evolved from the land over 10,000 years in forms that promote crop diversity, decentralization, sustainability, private property, self-organization and local control of seeds. The personal freedom inherent in these localized systems leaves farm families making their own decisions: the masters on their lands, the sovereigns of their destinies. Continuous innovation by
millions of small farmers maximized sustainable yields and biodiversity.

In his ruthless reinvention of colonialism, Gates spent $4.9 billion dollars to dismantle this ancient system and replace it with high-tech corporatized and industrialized agriculture, chemically dependent monocultures, extreme centralization and top-down control. He forced small African farms to transition to imported commercial seeds, petroleum fertilizers and pesticides.“


Bill Gates and Neo-Feudalism: A Closer Look at Farmer Bill • Children's Health Defense

 

[InChrist]

Just out of curiousity, do you think that if somebody does good for a whole lot of people, but in doing so gains a benefit for themself too, that they ought to be censured? Would it have been better for the world that the good to all those others not ever have happened, so that the person who did the good could not also receive a benefit?

Please explain in detail.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with a person who truly helps others, also benefiting themselves.
Although, the questions arise, “Are the things someone is “doing to help others” actually helping or hindering, serving the best interests of others or one’s self interest?
Read the situation about African farmers in post #35 and let me know what you think. Did Gates help those farmers and their communities? Is there a difference between helping people achieve better independent lives or using people for colonialism purposes?

 

[ecco]

Maybe nobody considers Bill Gates to be a savior, though he comes across as if he considers himself a savior and one who has solutions to the world’s problems.

No, he comes across as a man who is actually doing some good. In contrast, your savior, Jesus, did nothing more than talk.

 

[ecco]

The problem I see with Gates is that upon further investigation his “philanthropy“ may not be based solely in neutral good will as much as it is motivated by a self-serving interest and a ...
“commitment to promote neoliberal economic policies and corporate globalisation”.
Bill Gates' foundation has been accused of 'dangerously skewing' aid priorities

From the original article at:

Gated Development - is the Gates Foundation always a force for good?

We argue that this is far from a neutral charitable strategy but instead an ideological commitment to promote neoliberal economic policies and corporate globalisation.

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Goodness gracious, we just can't abide anything that hints at neoliberal economic policies and globalization, can we.

 

[ecco]

On the contrary, it seems that much of his motivation is to increase profits and power for global corporate entities (funded and owned by him), rather than to help individual lives, communities or the environment.

Please show which global corporate entities are owned by Gates.

African agricultural practices have evolved from the land over 10,000 years in forms that promote crop diversity, decentralization, sustainability, private property, self-organization and local control of seeds.

For most of those 10,000 years that was the only way it could be done. For most of those 10,000 years a few years of drought resulted in mass starvation.

Africa hunger, famine: Facts, FAQs, and how to help | World Vision.

In Africa, hunger is increasing at an alarming rate. Economic woes, drought, and extreme weather are reversing years of progress so that 237 million sub-Saharan Africans are chronically undernourished, more than in any other region. In the whole of Africa, 257 million people are experiencing hunger, which is 20% of the population.

Successive crop failures and poor harvests in Zambia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and Angola are taking a toll on agriculture production, and food prices are soaring. In the past three growing seasons, parts of Southern Africa experienced their lowest rainfall since 1981. Other areas suffered widespread destruction from Cyclones Idai and Kenneth in March and April 2019, near the time for harvesting.
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Why do you favor people starving over the modernization of farming?




In any case, once again, your sources for all your anti-Gates postings come from similar niche anti-business sites.

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Like it or not, Big Food and Big Chemical feed America and most of the world.


And then there is this...

A Look at America’s Family Farms.

Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S. agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production. ... Large-scale farms produce the bulk of dairy.Jan 23, 2020​

 

[InChrist]

Why do you favor people starving over the modernization of farming?​

Like it or not, Big Food and Big Chemical feed America and most of the world

I don’t favor people starving , but neither like Gate’s solutions. The big ag and chemical methods are destroying the environment and in the long run will bring about catastrophic consequences to the biodiversity of sustainable crops and the food supply, ultimately killing more people through starvation. If you read about the plagues in Revelation it’s so obvious that humans bring these upon themselves, especially by someone like Gates playing god.


“Contrary to the myth that small farmers and their agroecological systems are unproductive, and thus we should leave the future of our food in the hands of the Poison Cartel, small farmers are providing 80% of global food using just 25% of the land that goes into agriculture.[28] There have also been countless studies that have proven that agroecological, organic agriculture, especially those based on biodiversity, are all around more resilient to climate change, more economically viable and lead to increases in crop productivity.[29] For example, biodiversity helps reduce diseases, improving the resilience of crops and leading to higher yields.”

Gates Ag One: The Recolonisation Of Agriculture - Independent Science News | Food, Health and Agriculture Bioscience News



“Regardless, such a simplistic view of solving poverty simply with technological innovation reduces the multidimensionality of why certain populations remain poor.

Through this and similar rhetoric, Gates pushes the philanthropist ethic where the rich give to the poor, painting the rich as providing favors to the poor they exploited to gain their wealth. In the end making the poor ever more dependent on the rich. Coupled with his development agenda, a chimera of charity development emerges which reinforces the power structures of inequality in the areas where they work, reiterating the trope of white saviorism.”

Gates Ag One: The Recolonisation Of Agriculture - Independent Science News | Food, Health and Agriculture Bioscience News