Subduction Zone
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It is very true that Biden is not someone to get excited about. But that those on the right cannot see that Trump is a toxic person that should be in prison and nowhere near the White House is just baffling.
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Say bye bye to Tucker Carlson
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, and those who get "excited about Trump" seeming have a rather serious problem recognizing what Judeo-Christian morals are about.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
I remember that
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
He was never my first choice but was definitely my final choice. Vote my heart in the primary, vote against MAGA in the general.
Having said that, I do think history, when it looks back, will look favorably on Biden's administration.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Jealous? It's creepy.
Biden wins simply by not being Trump. I'm no fan of Biden, but he has a long way to fall before reaching the swampy depths of Trump's disastrous presidency.
Colt
Well-Known Member
LoL! Everything was better during Trump even though he's a toxic ***-hat!
Colt
Well-Known Member
I've said he's toxic, more difficult to control than other (R)'s. I won't vote for him, he can't win! If he really cared he wouldn't run at all. But in truth the Left would hate any (R)!
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Likewise the right would hate any (D).
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is largely because the US economy is huge. It does not turn on a dime. You should look at economic trends. The upswing started in the Obama administration. Obama was regularly reducing the deficit once recovery started. Trump's economy was artificial. The growth continued, but it was largely due to his reckless spending. The growth rates were the same, but instead of further reducing the deficit he grew it. He was setting us up for the next recession. Covid was not his fault, but the recession that followed large was. He put us on that road. We were going to have inflation due to the necessary spending on Covid, That did begin with him, I do not blame him for the spending, but he is to blame for the cushion that we lost that Obama had started to build up.
If cheating and corruption is better, then you are correct. It's sad what American conservatives have become. The majority of Americans don't want MAGA.
Colt
Well-Known Member
I actually like Obama the man much more than Trump. It should be noted that debts and deficits are not the same thing but I won't argue your basic premise.
"A deficit is a budget shortfall, whereas debt is the running total of all deficits and surpluses. Deficits add to the debt, while surpluses reduce it."
US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percentage
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945)
President Roosevelt added the largest percentage increase to the national debt. Although he only added $236 billion, this was an increase of about 1,048% from the $22.5 billion debt level left by President Herbert Hoover before him. The Great Depression and the New Deal contributed to FDR's yearly deficits, but the biggest cost was World War II—it added $186.3 billion to the debt between 1942 and 1945.2Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921)
President Wilson was the second-largest contributor to the debt, percentage-wise. He added about $21 billion, which was a 723% increase over the $2.9 billion debt of his predecessor. World War I contributed to the deficits that raised the national debt.2Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
President Reagan increased the debt by $1.86 trillion, or by 186%. Reagan's supply-side economics didn't grow the economy enough to offset the lost revenue from its tax cuts. Reagan also increased the defense budget by 35%.2George W. Bush (2001-2009)
President Bush added $5.85 trillion to the national debt. That's a 101% increase, putting him in fourth. Bush launched the War on Terror in response to the 9/11 attacks, which led to multi-trillion-dollar spending on the War in Afghanistan and the War in Iraq. Bush also dealt with the 2001 recession and the 2008 financial crisis.2Barack Obama (2009-2017)
Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most in dollar terms ($8.6 trillion) and was fifth by percentage at 74%. Obama fought the Great Recession with an $831 billion economic stimulus package and added $858 billion through tax cuts. Even though the fiscal year 2009 budget was set by President Bush, Obama added to it with the Economic Stimulus Act in 2009.23Donald Trump
At the end of fiscal year 2020, the debt was $26.9 trillion. Trump added $6.7 trillion to the debt between fiscal year 2017 and fiscal year 2020, a 33.1% increase, largely due to the effects of the coronavirus pandemic and 2020 recession.In his FY 2021 budget, Trump's budget included a $966 billion deficit.14 However, the national debt actually grew by $1.5 trillion between October 1, 2020, and October 1, 2021.
- FY 2021: $1.5 trillion
- FY 2020: $4.2 trillion
- FY 2019: $1.2 trillion
- FY 2018: $1.3 trillion
Barack Obama
President Obama added about $8.6 trillion, about a 74% increase, to the national debt at the end of President Bush’s last budget in 2009.- FY 2017: $671 billion
- FY 2016: $1.42 trillion
- FY 2015: $326 billion
- FY 2014: $1.09 trillion
- FY 2013: $672 billion
- FY 2012: $1.28 trillion
- FY 2011: $1.23 trillion
- FY 2010: $1.65 trillion
- FY 2009: $253 billion (Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion)15
George W. Bush
President Bush added $5.85 trillion to the national debt, a 101% increase from the $5.8 trillion debt at the end of Clinton's last budget for fiscal year 2001.- FY 2009: $1.63 trillion (this was Bush's deficit without the impact of the Economic Stimulus Act)
- FY 2008: $1.02 trillion
- FY 2007: $501 billion
- FY 2006: $574 billion
- FY 2005: $553 billion
- FY 2004: $596 billion
- FY 2003: $555 billion
- FY 2002: $421 billion
Bill Clinton
President Clinton increased the national debt by almost $1.4 trillion, almost a 32% increase from the $4.4 trillion debt at the end of President H.W. Bush's last budget.2- FY 2001: $133 billion
- FY 2000: $18 billion
- FY 1999: $130 billion
- FY 1998: $113 billion
- FY 1997: $189 billion
- FY 1996: $251 billion
- FY 1995: $281 billion
- FY 1994: $281 billion
George H.W. Bush
President H.W. Bush added $1.55 trillion to the debt, a 54% increase from the $2.857 trillion debt at the end of Reagan's last budget.2- FY 1993: $347 billion
- FY 1992: $399 billion
- FY 1991: $432 billion
- FY 1990: $376 billion
Ronald Reagan
President Regan added $1.86 trillion to the national debt, a 186% increase from the $997.8 billion debt at the end of Carter's last budget.2- FY 1989: $255 billion
- FY 1988: $252 billion
- FY 1987: $225 billion
- FY 1986: $302 billion
- FY 1985: $251 billion
- FY 1984: $195 billion
- FY 1983: $235 billion
- FY 1982: $145 billion
Jimmy Carter
President Carter added $299 billion to the debt, a 42.7% increase from the $698.8 billion debt at the end of Ford's last budget.2- FY 1981: $90.1 billion
- FY 1980: $81.1 billion
- FY 1979: $54.9 billion
- FY 1978: $72.7 billion
Soandso
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Really? His actions have caused families to split apart. Even when I visit my own family there's things I won't talk about because my dad gets mad when anyone says anything negative about trump. Americans are more divided than they've been in a very long time because of his actions, and americans hate eachother to the point where people entertain discussions of either cessation or civil war. That doesn't seem so great to me
Colt
Well-Known Member
Goes both ways.
Soandso
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Ignores the main point
We can do whataboutisms until the cows come home, and yes, the media has played it's awful part as it always has, but this shift happened directly because of trump in the wake of his leadership. Trump brought it out and gave it a symbolic identity that people could cling onto or fight against, and he played on that divide and tore the country more deeply than it has been since 1861
Do you honestly see the damage this division has caused healing any time soon? Do you think trump is the one to do it if he were to become president again, or do you think he would just divide the country more?
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It doesn't. Trump was a uniquely troubled person that for a set of very bad reasons was appealing to American conservatives. Despite his lying, his cheating, his criminal activity that will lead to more indictments he is still popular among your fellow conservatives. Biden is vastkly more stable and reliable as president so if it comes down to Trump and Biden in the 2024 election whould you vote for Biden, or write in some alternative? Or would you vote for Trump despite what we know of his criminal character?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Suuuuuuuure. Not Trump, the guy who said on camera that he grabs women by the *****; the guy who said to a 10-year-old girl "I'm going to be dating you in 10 years;" not the very same guy who bragged about walking into young girls' change rooms to catch a peek; not the guy caught on camera hanging out with Epstein checking out girls; not the guy who talked about his daughter's breast when she was just a baby, etc., etc., etc.. Not that guy.
Not him. Just some made up crap about Biden that you read on some right-wing blog or something.
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Colt
Well-Known Member
Yea, if all true then Trump is creepy as well. The difference is that its only news when (R)'s act that way. It was acceptable, wink and a nod, among many high profile (D)'s for years in America. Trump set off the @metoo movement which ironically cast a spotlight on what had been acceptable. But it seems you only care about the politics of the perps?Suuuuuuuure. Not Trump, the guy who said on camera that he grabs women by the *****; the guy who said to a 10-year-old girl "I'm going to be dating you in 10 years;" not the very same guy who bragged about walking into young girls' change rooms to catch a peek; not the guy caught on camera hanging out with Epstein checking out girls; not the guy who talked about his daughter's breast when she was just a baby, etc., etc., etc.. Not that guy.
Not him. Just some made up crap about Biden that you read on some right-wing blog or something.
Like Harvey Weinstein
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Except for that time Harvey Weinstein went to prison.
Or that time when Al Franken lost his job when he took a photo where he pretended to touch a woman's breasts.
Or ... remind me of what happened to Anthony Weiner again?
If you ask me, Trump's been getting a free pass all this time.
That appears to be you, given your attempt at whataboutism in this thread.
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Heyo
Veteran Member
That's because the pubs have always presented as soo righteous, Christian, with family values, etc. The news is the hypocrisy.
When the dems are caught betraying the little people, giving tax cuts to rich people and corporations it is also news, when pubs do it, it is expected.