Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
I agree. They are very sophisticated politicians and know which way the wind is blowing.
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I agree. They are very sophisticated politicians and know which way the wind is blowing.
Harris is polling about the same as Biden.
Here’s How Kamala Harris Performs In Polls Against Trump—As Biden Drops Out And Endorses Harris
Joe Biden dropped his 2024 bid and endorsed Kamala Harris.www.forbes.com
But so much can change in a few months and Trump is still not very popular, nationally. The advantage Harris has, IMHO, is that she could shore-up the minority vote, which has been declining a bit for Biden. And she is relatively young.
She has her faults and weaknesses (as a prosecutor she was pretty brutal on prosecutions for relatively innocuous charges, especially for minorities in CA).
Once we factor in the lingering racism in this country, the choice between her and Biden is a toss up. But I would still go for her simply because she does not have the liabilities Biden has. And is not old.
You make a good point about her being a minority.
I would not worry about her being tough on crime as a DA in this race. Right now the bent of the electorate is against crime, towards order. Her history as a DA might actually help her with moderates.
I am sure you know that there's more, much more, to human nature than many give credit for.
What do you think might have happened if, after Biden's terrible debate performance, every Democrat in both houses had got behind him, claimed it was a one-off because he was exhausted, and that everything will be better tomorrow and he's our candidate -- that we supported overwhelmingly in primaries -- because he's best for the nation?
But no, immediately, they started voicing their fears!
Trump makes more mistakes than Biden ever has -- and many of them more egregious, more violence-oriented, more demented (sharks and electrocution?). How many Republicans come out every time he makes such demented remarks and publicly questions whether he's fit to run?
The answer, as you know, is none. NONE!
I am saying that polls can provide hints to campaign managers, but tell nobody anything at all about how the election will turn out, and that anybody, like Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff and Obama who use them to justify airing their own doubts in public, against the legitimate presumed nominee, is panic. They know -- they've been in it long enough -- that polls 4 months before an election are, as I said, equivalent to "taking the auspices" with chicken guts.
And the bigger problem is even worse -- they did it without yet having a workable Plan B.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
You are right; the pendulum has swung (for now) to the point where her record could actually be an asset. I mean, violent crimes have actually been going down, though to listen to the Rs now you would think it is out of control.
Don't know and don't care,
because it didn't happen.
I need no Trump-Biden comparisons:
- Biden is by far the better, smarter, more honest, and more competent human being, and
- if Trump were running against a dead skunk I'd vote for the skunk in a heartbeat.
This is not some "may-the-best-man-win" game. Rather, it's a "may-the-best-campaign-strategy-to-defeat-MAGA" imperative. I hope that folks -- Biden first and foremost -- choose wisely.
Well, I can't disagree with you much. Maybe it's my failure in not being able to visualize what that "strategy-to-defeat" might look like.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Biden is almost certain to drop out now. The most likely scenario is that Kamala Harris will head the top of the ticket. Given that this is happening in July, it could be a game changer.
Democrats see "aura of inevitability" around Biden withdrawal
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Likely choices for VP on the Democratic ticket: Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro, Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, and possibly Mark Kelly of Arizona. I don't think Kelly is as likely, because that would open up a seat in the Senate that Kelly holds until 2029. There are other reasonable choices, but these three come to mind for me as high on the list.
We Never Know
No Slack
I read the Trump campaign are all ready delaying/won't commit to a VP debate until its clear who it will be.
Will it be Harris or will she have to choose a VP if Biden drops out. They have said lets wait and see.
"Other staunch Biden backers projected confidence that he can hang on." - [ibid]
When the rallying cry of one's staunch backers is "hang on" you're in trouble.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Nope -- none are "known names." That's a problem. The best known names have disadvantages when paired with Harris. It's a shame that the demographic makeup matters equally if not more than their politics, but it's reality. IMO, the strongest would be Amy Klobuchar, but I don't believe a double female ticket would stand a chance. Perhaps RFK? It's a thought.
Not a very good one.
Gliese 12b
I feel like we are in a plane coming in for a crashlanding. Some of are white-knuckling it and bracing for impact, and others are trying to jump out the window.
Perhaps a younger pilot could allay the fears and stem the tide of suicide.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
What is important is that the names be known to most Democrats, not the general public. There is time for new candidates to build up name recognition. Whitmer and Shapiro would pair up nicely with Harris. The contest is in swing states, not the national popular vote. Whitmer and Shapiro have much better name recognition in those states. If people are always glued to Fox News, they will only begin to hear about these candidates after they become official.
We Never Know
No Slack
There are articles on who she might pick. I think one has the top six.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Yes, but those cries are not all that numerous and have been dying down in the past few days. If Biden pulls out voluntarily and endorses a replacement, they will not likely abandon the campaign, even if they consider the replacement a weaker candidate. Right now, Harris is polling better than Biden in a few key states, and that is even before she wins the nomination.
We Never Know
No Slack
And some know they can't do anything about it so they just wait to see how it turns out.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
In an airplane, passengers would bounce off of the window. It's best to buckle up and get a grip on yourself.