School Would Force Rachel To Be Brian

[Saint Frankenstein]

Obviously no school is going to deny a transgender teen to flip identities considering that they know dam well that denying them is discrimination, especially for a transgender teen. The reason has got to be related to the scenario where, lets say, a gay male decides to flip identities because he felt he should have been born a girl.
Where does the school draw the line? Though, imo, we cannot compare a transgender to a gay male desiring to be female and therefore the line should be drawn in-between.

I'm not sure what you're talking about but I'm positive that has nothing to do with this.

 

[dawny0826]

Switching up.
Turning one over to
something better.
Exchanging.

Why?

To the contrary, I think I asked a legitimate question when considering the context of Rachel's situation. Rachel is a transsexual. Rachel identifies as a girl.

A gay man deciding to switch things up to express himself femininely isn't an example of transsexualism. I asked you for clarification so that I didn't misrepresnt what you meant by "flipping".

The latter situation should be a non-issue as well, in my opinion, unless a gay kid decides to come to school wearing abnoxiously distracting crap which deters from the learning environment.

Otherwise, schools have the responsiblity to foster a non discriminative environment for students as much as feasibly possible.

 

[Thruve]

I'm not sure what you're talking about but I'm positive that has nothing to do with this.

The school's administration probably compared the situation like that of a gay male who wanted to be female, and the effects it would cause within the schools population. Though the administration knows what transgender means, the schools youngins would perceive it differently.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The school's administration probably viewed the situation like that of a gay male who wanted to be female, and the effects it would cause within the schools population. Though the administration knows what transgender means, the schools youngins would perceive it differently.

I have no idea how you got that out of the story. The story mentioned nothing about being gay.

 

[Thruve]

I have no idea how you got that out of the story. The story mentioned nothing about being gay.

Im talking about the reasoning why the school said NO.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Im talking about the reasoning why the school said NO.

The story didn't mention anything like that, though. It also said nothing about Rachel identifying as a gay boy beforehand.

 

[Thruve]

The story didn't mention anything like that, though. It also said nothing about Rachel identifying as a gay boy beforehand.

Holy tits. ok, forget it rofl,
my last attempt.

Im talking about why the SCHOOL said NO lol
The article does not go into detail about why the school says no...
And what im saying is that the administration probably views... the whole situation.. like that of a gay male whos changing genders, though this situation does not apply to rachael because she is a transgender.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Holy tits. ok, forget it rofl,
my last attempt.

Im talking about why the SCHOOL said NO lol
The article does not go into detail about why the school says no...
And what im saying is that the administration probably views... the whole situation.. like that of a gay male whos changing genders, though this situation does not apply to rachael because she is a transgender.

Well, I don't see a reason to believe that that is their reasoning. But, even if she did previously live as a gay boy, so what? Many transsexuals have lived as gay men or lesbians before transitioning. Carmen Carrera is a recent notable example of a transsexual woman who previously lived as a gay man. But I'd say Rachel is too young to fall into that category because that's something that was a coping mechanism of older generations of trans people. I expect such a phenomenon to decline more and more as visibility and understanding of trans people grows.

 

[Thruve]

Well, I don't see a reason to believe that that is their reasoning. But, even if she did previously live as a gay boy, so what? Many transsexuals have lived as gay men or lesbians before transitioning. Carmen Carrera is a recent notable example of a transsexual woman who previously lived as a gay man. But I'd say Rachel is too young to fall into that category because that's something that was a coping mechanism of older generations of trans people. I expect such a phenomenon to decline more and more as visibility and understanding of trans people grows.

Given the current climate, especially in NJ, id assume they compared the effects of the gay male scenario to that of rachaels. The effects would be the same on the schools students, assuming middle schooler's are too young to understand the difference.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Given the current climate, especially in NJ, id assume they compared the effects of the gay male scenario to that of rachaels. The effects would be the same on the schools students, assuming middle schooler's are too young to understand the difference.

Well, there's no reason to believe that.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Schools....so often run by officious boobs.....& not the good kind of boobs.
Transgender teen told she can't come to school as girl
I say they should just do what it takes to accommodate Rachel.

Thoughts? Objections?

I agree with you. This is what our school does. We had one transgender teen at our HS that we provided accommodations for. We have one student we did this for at our MS and will be entering the HS this year. There's been no issues with accommodations...Tis an easy thing to accomplish.

 

[Estro Felino]

This sounds unreal, even if it's the sad truth.
What can I say? People are treated like numbers. People's dignity is outraged, and people don't mind being cruel and wicked. Because their selfishness has made them blind and incapable of being empathetic towards the others.

Another cruel game towards a girl with whom nature has already been cruel enough.
A girl who is born in a man's body

 

[Revoltingest]

Tis an easy thing to accomplish.

Only for those who want to, apparently.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If I was her, I would just home school and make friends outside of it all. Screw the school, screw the judgement, I'll take option B. If she didn't shed have my full support, and Id support her to go as a female. If/When she got kicked, id have an attorney right there to hop on board just to turn some heads.

Home schooling, especially if you already have poor social skills, is a terrible idea.

I would think concerns might be over potential bullying and student interaction. Were not talking about adult students here that stand more to reason. It's a bit shocking to note this person is only 13 years old. A minor. It seems a bit early imo for a very young person to undergo something like this. Hopefully a decision not to be regretted later on but then again im not this childs parent.

What about other bullying? Kids are regularly bullied and picked on for a variety of stupid things. She is obviously very strong and courageous, and why should she be punished because some students will try and bring her down?
As for her age, the treatment is to block the effects of testosterone. Her body will not masculinize, and she can develop more like a normal female with estrogen, and if she does back out then the testosterone blockers are removed and a regular male development can occur.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some relevant news.....
A question for schools: Which sports teams should transgender students play on? - The Washington Post
I have no ready solution except to recommend thoughtful consideration by schools on a case by case basis.
Perhaps good general policies will emerge.