Science and hell

[ElishaElijah]

When will science be moot? At the Judgement when everyone gets to meet with God in person. All the arguments don’t amount to much. The way God set up spiritual law is that you must have faith in God in order to call on Him in the first place, then you call on God and you get your proof because He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. He rewards you with His Spirit and continuously reveals Himself to you as you seek Him. This is all done by believing that Christ died for your sins, was buried and rose the third day according to the Scriptures. This is the only way to know God. Science and reason won’t do it, they cannot detect the spiritual and unseen realm.

 

[We Never Know]

I did not say it was your DEFINITION.
I said it was your PRESENTED definition.
I even flat out added "(or or your source)"...

Thus meaning since it is your presented definition it is on you to define the words used in your presented definition.
I am not doing your homework for you.

Have at it....

Nature and the Natural - University of Oslo

What is the difference between nature and natural?.

Is natural the same as nature? - Quora

 

[Thief]

Tell the fundimental laws of physics that

so I went looking about for examples of cause and effect

much to my surprise......many of the examples given were .....incorrect

it seems the association has become diluted over the years
leaning more to coincidence than interaction

if you are of such instruction.....I then see your confusion

perhaps a topic thread is in order

 

[ChristineM]

so I went looking about for examples of cause and effect

much to my surprise......many of the examples given were .....incorrect

it seems the association has become diluted over the years
leaning more to coincidence than interaction

if you are of such instruction.....I then see your confusion

perhaps a topic thread is in order

Please provide your research, it certainly can not include quantum interactions that often have no cause or the cause follows the effect.

 

[SeekingAllTruth]

Christianity today = Medieval mentality.

 

[halbhh]

To be published in Is Our World an Intelligent Simulation?, viXra.org e-Print archive, viXra:2104.0152

Science is defined by its methods. The basic one is to assume the absence of God's
influence on nature, including the ``absence'' of God in doing the Big Bang.
Absence of a miracle while the Miracle of Creation of the Virtual World,
which 7000 years ago has become an actual thing, and remnants of this
virtual world are invisible Dark Matter and Dark Energy. So, there will
be no science in a better, sane world and God-driven society. Surely,
there will be research and knowledge (because ``I am the way'', says God in
the Bible), but we will manage it without methodological naturalism.

A believer would say, that nature itself should be the evidence of God's influence.
Why? It perfectly would work with Atheism or Deism, if one assumes the presence
of the laws of nature. God does not force us into the right theistic worldview,
because the knowledge does not save; for satan knows that God exists, but he
has the spirit of atheism. Yes, it is illogical, but there is no logic in
mentally sick satan.

Science assumes not Atheism, but Deism because methodological naturalism
assumes zero divine action on nature. But in Big Bang, it assumes
Atheism, not Deism, because God can not do Miracle of Creation
without doing the miracle. Christianity is not Deism. Thus, science denies
the most popular understanding of who God is. I am sorry to disappoint you,
but Science is the Babylon Babe from the Revelation. And we are addicted to her,
she is so beautiful and dirty!

If there will be no science in heaven, then there will be no scientists in heaven?
They will go to hell?
Because have created A-Bomb?

More to discuss, and my CV and life principles:
Science and Psycho | Religious Forums

If you merely try to figure out how much water to leave out for your dog or cat, when you'll be gone for a full day --

Or when a farmer tries to figure out which kind and how much fertilizer to use depending on the previous crop, or coming crop, or soil tests....

Those are 'science.'

Science is simply the effort(s) to figure out how nature works.

Anything else people add on top of it is just their own added stuff.

Of course, the ability and natural urge to figure out how things work -- science -- is to a believer a God-given ability we all have.

To try to set that against God is merely mistaken.

It would be like saying that our ears are opposed to God, because they hear sounds.

 

[Irate State]

Here's a list of scientific discoveries that were later proved wrong using a supernatural explanation.

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Lovingly stolen from @bitterskeptic's IG.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Not always... There are atheists with supernatural beliefs. I think it more specifically has to do with beliefs in deities. I'm not sure if Satan would fill that role. I guess that depends just how highly you hold him in importance.

I stand corrected. I do see that you can believe in the supernatural and still be an atheist.

I would argue that Satan does, but I think there is room to question that argument.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Here's a list of scientific discoveries that were later proved wrong using a supernatural explanation.

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Lovingly stolen from @bitterskeptic's IG.

Hold my beer, what number would this one be?
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20

 

[McBell]

K

Hold my beer, what number would this one be?
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11-12‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Revelation 20:11-12 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before G | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

That you think that is a "scientific" discovery in the first place does not bold well for you.

 

[KerimF]

I am really amazed hearing people debating on something very clear like the notion of Hell!

Hell versus Everlasting Fire | Religious Forums

 

[ElishaElijah]

That you think that is a "scientific" discovery in the first place does not bold well for you.

God is supernatural and will prove the faulty science trying to disprove His existence and that He Created everything like the Scriptures say. He will do this on that Day.

 

[KerimF]

God is supernatural and will prove the faulty science trying to disprove His existence and that He Created everything like the Scriptures say. He will do this on that Day.

I guess you meant what God addressed some humans to introduce the notion of Creation when humans were rather primitive (kids of humanity).

Do you really think that a father should explain very clearly to his little kid that he (the kid) was a tiny cell which came to life when two independent living cells had the chance to meet properly and be combined, forming his one living cell.
I am afraid; even after 5,000 years many adults in the world may have no clear idea about it. I guess the story of Adam and Eve is more than enough for them to know how God created the world.

 

[Irate State]

Hold my beer, what number would this one be?
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20

Revelation 20 apparently.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Does scientists firstly believe there is a God than try to disprove this? Or do even christian scientists put away their belief when they work, and ask "what proof is ther for God scientificly"
And if they can not find "proof" of God, their conclution is "there can not be a God, because we can not find it" ?

Not at all. Science ignores the notion of God, and simply makes observations about the world that it can observe, and then asks the question: "what is the cause of what I have just observed." It then forms hypotheses to try to answer the question, and tests them until satisfied that the question has been answered.

If there were no possible natural answer, and this could be demonstrated, then I think even science would be forced to consider the question of a supernatural (or God) answer.

 

[McBell]

God is supernatural and will prove the faulty science trying to disprove His existence and that He Created everything like the Scriptures say. He will do this on that Day.

Except science is not trying to disprove god.
Science has nothing to say about god.
So why you might look like a good soldier for the choir, you are merely beating up a strawman.
And beating up strawmen is not impressive to those outside the choir.

 

[KerimF]

Not at all. Science ignores the notion of God, and simply makes observations about the world that it can observe, and then asks the question: "what is the cause of what I have just observed." It then forms hypotheses to try to answer the question, and tests them until satisfied that the question has been answered.

If there were no possible natural answer, and this could be demonstrated, then I think even science would be forced to consider the question of a supernatural (or God) answer.

[1] An ordinary person who had rather narrow technical knowledge got a human-like robot as a gift but with no user's manuals. At best, he could play with it as if it is a toy without knowing how to take real advantage of its various functions. Naturally, he hopped that, someday, he could know the company that made it and got its missing manuals.

[2] A real scientist also got a human-like robot as a gift without any user's manuals. He started analyzing it by various tests with the hope to discover, day after day, all its functions for which it was made. By chance, he also found a user's manual for a robot. To his big surprise, all what he discovered while analyzing his robot was already explained on this manual. Naturally, he deduced that the manual he found is from the company that made the robot he had.

So far, nothing is new.

But you may get my point from above if you can replace 'the real scientist' with me 'Kerim', and the received robot with no manuals is my living structure.

Actually, not all humans are supposed being real scientists in discovering their living structure by themselves. So they have to depend on some others for such kind of knowledge (including the atheists) in case they are not busy all day to think why they were brought into this temporary life in the first place.

For more information about Hell
Hell versus Everlasting Fire | Religious Forums

 

[ElishaElijah]

Except science is not trying to disprove god.
Science has nothing to say about god.
So why you might look like a good soldier for the choir, you are merely beating up a strawman.
And beating up strawmen is not impressive to those outside the choir.

It was in reference to this comment: Here's a list of scientific discoveries that were later proved wrong using a supernatural explanation.
Did I misunderstand that comment?

 

[McBell]

It was in reference to this comment: Here's a list of scientific discoveries that were later proved wrong using a supernatural explanation.
Did I misunderstand that comment?

It seems to me that you did.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It seems to me that you did.

Explain the comment, especially if I took it wrong seen as I’m not part of your choir, are you a good soldier?