Science Disproves Evolution

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't understand why people waste their time posting stupid crap like this. Anybody ignorant enough to be convinced by this garbage already believes it.

 

[Gunfingers]

I don't understand why people waste their time posting stupid crap like this. Anybody ignorant enough to be convinced by this garbage already believes it.

But other people may read it, and if they see it go unchallenged they'll think it's true. We may not convince Puha here, but the lurker reading this who wasn't sure either way won't be taken in by his BS.

 

[Skwim]

Actually there are hundreds of ancient societies with worldwide flood memories. Stay tuned. My third post addresses that.

Memories comprised of folklore, myths, and fiction certainly abound, but not historical accounts. What we commonly see is the argument the begs the question: "How could all these diverse cultures and societies describe the same event if it didn't happen?" The truth is that they don't. They describe a common theme or motif, flooding, but as vastly different phenomenons. Moreover, folklore and myth is replete with common themes and motifs, visitations by ghosts of the departed, vengeful gods, magical conjurations, wee people, and supernatural evil entities. Just because different cultures have stories about their creation doesn't make the Biblical creation story true. Nor does it make any common element in these stories true.

I await your historical accounts in your third post, because memories of folklore, myth, and fiction don't cut it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Actually there are hundreds of ancient societies with worldwide flood memories. Stay tuned. My third post addresses that.

How can a small, localized ancient society have a "worldwide flood memory"?

I'm sure that many have written or oral histories of floods that reached beyond the geographic limits of their knowledge, but that only gets you to a regional flood, not a worldwide flood.

Also, if a flood was truly worldwide, then shouldn't every ancient society have a "worldwide flood memory"? If a global flood actually happened in some given year, how do you explain all the cultures that record life going on pretty much as normal at that time and for hundreds of years before and after?

 

[Skwim]

How can a small, localized ancient society have a "worldwide flood memory"?

I'm sure that many have written or oral histories of floods that reached beyond the geographic limits of their knowledge, but that only gets you to a regional flood, not a worldwide flood.

Also, if a flood was truly worldwide, then shouldn't every ancient society have a "worldwide flood memory"? If a global flood actually happened in some given year, how do you explain all the cultures that record life going on pretty much as normal at that time and for hundreds of years before and after?

Exactly. All these flood "memories," written by Noah's descendants, should describe a long trek and/or voyage to their home land as a result of the flood. And do they? Nope. All they do is go into fanciful stories about how some flooding took place where they presently live.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Threads like these are supposed to go in the Games / Pics / Jokes / Stories section of the board.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

But other people may read it, and if they see it go unchallenged they'll think it's true. We may not convince Puha here, but the lurker reading this who wasn't sure either way won't be taken in by his BS.

Anybody stupid enough to take his "arguments" seriously, is already beyond help.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

I don't understand why people waste their time posting stupid crap like this. Anybody ignorant enough to be convinced by this garbage already believes it.

Perhaps the first non-sarcastic post I've seen from you.

 

[Autodidact]

Water above Mountains?


Is there enough water to cover all the earth’s pre-flood mountains in a global flood? Most people do not realize that the volume of water on earth is ten times greater than the volume of all land above sea level.

Most of the earth’s mountains consist of tipped and buckled sedimentary layers. Because these sediments were initially laid down through water as nearly horizontal layers, those mountains must have been pushed up after the sediments were deposited.

If the effects of compressing the continents and buckling up mountains were reversed, the oceans would again flood the entire earth. Therefore, the earth has enough water to cover the smaller mountains that existed before the flood. (If the solid earth were perfectly smooth, the water depth would be about 9,000 feet everywhere.)

The Seemingly Impossible Events of a Worldwide Flood Are Credible, If Examined Closely.

You do realize that none of this has anything to do with evolution, the subject of your thread? This is about a separate question, which is whether there was ever a global flood.

So what you're saying is that during the flood the earth buckled and mountains were formed? Does it talk about that in the Bible at all? How about the intense earthquakes and gigantic tsunamis it would have caused? Is there any record of such things in the written records of the time? What mechanism pushed up the mountains during this short period? Was any of it observed by anyone?

 

[Autodidact]

Water above Mountains?


Is there enough water to cover all the earth’s pre-flood mountains in a global flood? Most people do not realize that the volume of water on earth is ten times greater than the volume of all land above sea level.

Most of the earth’s mountains consist of tipped and buckled sedimentary layers. Because these sediments were initially laid down through water as nearly horizontal layers, those mountains must have been pushed up after the sediments were deposited.

If the effects of compressing the continents and buckling up mountains were reversed, the oceans would again flood the entire earth. Therefore, the earth has enough water to cover the smaller mountains that existed before the flood. (If the solid earth were perfectly smooth, the water depth would be about 9,000 feet everywhere.)

The Seemingly Impossible Events of a Worldwide Flood Are Credible, If Examined Closely.

You're right! Those geologists have no idea what they're doing. They're idiots, basically. Also paleontologists, they're just deluded. Biologists are completely crazy. And don't get me started about archeology--that's way off. But science, yes. Science supports the OP.

 

[Autodidact]

Why do you believe that?

Well, two sets of reasons. 1. It's physically impossible. 2. The evidence shows it never happened.

Doesn't the Ark explain the survival of animals?

How big was this ark? About how many animals would fit on it?

Each kind survived, which carried the genes for micro-evolution variety.

This seems to be the latest creationist meme. It is gibberish, but does sound sciencey, don't you think? Let's start with: What is a kind?

 

[Autodidact]

Actually there are hundreds of ancient societies with worldwide flood memories. Stay tuned. My third post addresses that.

Yes, and hundreds of ancient societies had floods. Just not all at the same time.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I love how it talks about science, then totally fails to even talk about ANYTHING to do with science.

Pahu next time just make up some figures it will make it look scientific.

You say there is much more water underneath the ground, it would be much more believable if you put a number into the post.

Here let me give you an example of how it could have been done better:

The area of the earth is 3 square kilometres and scientists have said that there is up to 5 litres of water underneath the ground. According to these figures there would be enough water to cover the entire earth.

Did you see what i did there, i gave some figures, i mentioned some "scientists". Even though the numbers are complete bull feces it gives the "article" way more scientific credence.

If you would like anymore tips on how to make your imagination more scientific just ask.

-Q

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Perhaps the first non-sarcastic post I've seen from you.

Guess I'm not in the mood today to make fun of this moronic crap. Definitely, a rare occurrence.

 

[Autodidact]

According to the hydroplate theory, the Earth's crust once floated upon a thin layer of water which was under great pressure. The crust began to crack, allowing the water to come to the surface. Since the water was under great pressure, it shot out of the crust like fountains, possibly as high as twenty miles into the air, and rained down for about 40 days and 40 nights. The part of the earth's mantle where the crack began and spread, very quickly, buckled up and now forms the entire mid-Atlantic ridge. This geological formation divides the Atlantic ocean down the middle, all the way from Canada to the tip of South America. Brown claims the shape of the ridge bears the specific outlines of the continents' edges (the Americas, Europe, and Africa), which, after the flood, moved over the layer of water to their current geographical positions.

Here is the wonderful Glenn Morton's complete rebuttal.

Walt Brown is hysterical. You've got the continents skating around like skateboarders in a pool, mountains shooting up and meteors being chunked into outer space, all without anyone, including the people in the Bible, noticing.

I do give him credit for at least trying, which is more than most flood fans do.

 

[Autodidact]

How could a flood cause the formation of a mountain range?

Are you saying that plate tectonic theory is wrong, or that the plate tectonics involved in mountain formation somehow involve floods?

Well, Brown thinks that before the "flood," there was a layer of water underneath the entire crust of the earth ("fountains of the deep"), with the crust just connected to the mantle by pillars. No, I'm not joking. The earth cracked in two like an egg, releasing all this pent up water, shooting up into the air and raining down for 40 days and 40 nights. The moving water carried the continents around quickly, since they were basically floating on it. It's kind of plate tectonics on wet steroids.

I'm not sure where he says the water went to--I think it's actually supposed to have shot up into space as big iceballs, although I'm not trusting my memory.

He's a very funny guy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, Brown thinks that before the "flood," there was a layer of water underneath the entire crust of the earth ("fountains of the deep"), with the crust just connected to the mantle by pillars. No, I'm not joking. The earth cracked in two like an egg, releasing all this pent up water, shooting up into the air and raining down for 40 days and 40 nights. The moving water carried the continents around quickly, since they were basically floating on it. It's kind of plate tectonics on wet steroids.

I'm not sure where he says the water went to--I think it's actually supposed to have shot up into space as big iceballs, although I'm not trusting my memory.

He's a very funny guy.

With great special effects, that would make a hilarious sci fi/fantasy movie!

 

[Engyo]

Water above Mountains?


Is there enough water to cover all the earth’s pre-flood mountains in a global flood? Most people do not realize that the volume of water on earth is ten times greater than the volume of all land above sea level.

Most of the earth’s mountains consist of tipped and buckled sedimentary layers. Because these sediments were initially laid down through water as nearly horizontal layers, those mountains must have been pushed up after the sediments were deposited.

If the effects of compressing the continents and buckling up mountains were reversed, the oceans would again flood the entire earth. Therefore, the earth has enough water to cover the smaller mountains that existed before the flood. (If the solid earth were perfectly smooth, the water depth would be about 9,000 feet everywhere.)

The Seemingly Impossible Events of a Worldwide Flood Are Credible, If Examined Closely.

If this were true, then there was no peak for the Ark to come to rest upon as the waters receded. For that matter, where did the waters recede to, if the earth was smooth at that time?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Why do you believe it is not a credible source for scientific information? Brown's conclusions are based on known laws of physics confirmed by scientists,

Lets look at that, shall we...

Is there enough water to cover all the earth’s pre-flood mountains in a global flood? Most people do not realize that the volume of water on earth is ten times greater than the volume of all land above sea level.

We are not just talking about mountain peaks here buddy. We are talking about the deep depressions, crevasses, canyons and rifts that hold the oceans.
What Geophysical explanation do you or your "credible source" have for that? Remember, that's ten times the volume of water to surface area.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I love how it talks about science, then totally fails to even talk about ANYTHING to do with science.

Pahu next time just make up some figures it will make it look scientific.

You say there is much more water underneath the ground, it would be much more believable if you put a number into the post.

Here let me give you an example of how it could have been done better:

The area of the earth is 3 square kilometres and scientists have said that there is up to 5 litres of water underneath the ground. According to these figures there would be enough water to cover the entire earth.

Did you see what i did there, i gave some figures, i mentioned some "scientists". Even though the numbers are complete bull feces it gives the "article" way more scientific credence.

If you would like anymore tips on how to make your imagination more scientific just ask.

-Q

Sorry for doing a Mickiel but i think this is important.

This is a news website article about a scientific finding | Martin Robbins | Science | guardian.co.uk

This is a article about how to write scientific articles

In this paragraph I will state the main claim that the research makes, making appropriate use of "scare quotes" to ensure that it's clear that I have no opinion about this research whatsoever.


In this paragraph I will briefly (because no paragraph should be more than one line) state which existing scientific ideas this new research "challenges".
If the research is about a potential cure, or a solution to a problem, this paragraph will describe how it will raise hopes for a group of sufferers or victims.


This paragraph elaborates on the claim, adding weasel-words like "the scientists say" to shift responsibility for establishing the likely truth or accuracy of the research findings on to absolutely anybody else but me, the journalist.


In this paragraph I will state in which journal the research will be published. I won't provide a link because either a) the concept of adding links to web pages is alien to the editors, b) I can't be bothered, or c) the journal inexplicably set the embargo on the press release to expire before the paper was actually published.



*SNIP*