Science IS religion

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Belief is more like accepting something inside.

You do NOT get to re-define words to suit your whim and delusions.

So I did not read the rest of your no-doubt invalid rant.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It was an interesting, but very strange thing to watch that poor woman. She was completely freaked out and showing others this smoke detector she had disassembled to find a camera. I looked at it and told her that the thing she thought was a camera was a capacitor and told her that a camera wouldn't work where it was located. The casing had to be removed to expose it and with the casing in place, the only thing that a camera would pick up would be the dark interior of the smoke detector. She was even more freaked out by the LED bulb. They have the old standard light bulb shape, but it has plastic about midway down to the threaded base. As a result it looks odd compared to the incandescent bulbs we are all used to. It is fortunate that it was not one of those dusk to dawn LED's with the photo sensor built in, that would have caused her a lot of distress. She was going through a separation and I suppose she was keyed up about that, but she was talking to one of the associates about contacting the manufacturers and sending the photos to make sure these were not some sort of fake units designed to hide cameras.

I think people were being very patient and kind with her and that seemed to help more than the reassurances about the detector and the bulb being safe.

Some of those old sources of information also did not have to compete with a lot of nonsense, since it did cost so much to produce. I loved those encyclopedias and textbooks as a kid. My folks were book people and we always had plenty of good resources around the house to look through and learn from.

I, too, was raised to pretty much revere books, and found it akin to Blasphemy! any time someone cut up a National Geographic magazine for an art project...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

At east I don't pull things from my nether regions.

If only that were true....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

As observed IN the fishbowl. So we may see an object of unknown size and distance with some other object going around it. How much gravity is at work we would not know. How much time was involved there..we would not know.

Wrong. And? Wrong. And? Wrong as well. And? Still wrong.

Wow. Such a short paragraph-- but you managed to put 4 wrong things in there, about 4 different subjects.

Congrats! Is that a record? Naaah... but it IS funny!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I am grateful to him. He is a fine example of something.

Yes... I was thinking about starting a garden, but his posts reminded me that any good garden really only thrives with good fertilizer. And the best, of course, is natural -- like what you get from a compost heap.

When I was in Junior High? We had a compost heap in the back yard.... I had to dump the grass clippings from mowing into it. And well? The less said about that infernal thing, the better (we had a dog...).

The poster Who's Name Is Unknown had reminded me of that childhood compost heap, but not in a good way.

The principle difference? That compost heap had some net positive value, as mom used it every spring when she planted her flower beds. Only once in that house, did we ever bother planting a garden. It was only modestly successful, but not because of poor quality compost.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Tell us in your words what you think evidence is then. (besides blind belief)

I could provide a link which would explain everything. But you are deathly afraid of links.

What is Scientific Evidence?

So you will, I have no doubt, Run Awaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!

The rabbit has Nasty Sharp Teeths!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Then why are there conflicting theories? Some scientists believe one thing, and others another. Grief, just deal with it, man.

None of the theories conflict in ways that matter, really. The fundamental premise of Evolution remains unchallenged by anyone, and has remained so for nigh on a hundred years and counting.

Only the fiddly details are still being argued over-- you know-- akin to Theists arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Except with facts, experiments and evidence.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

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How sad.

Now you get it! You have an inkling of how we feel, when reading about how creationists tries to denigrate Science, by painting it as Religion.

Whereas it is true, that many non-believers feel that religion is worth ridicule? And we all find it quite funny that you would put "science" in the same category as your most Cherished Ideas, as a kind of Ridicule?

Even funnier, you seem immune to the extreme irony of that style of argument?

But mostly, we are sad-- that a nominal adult, in 2019, still clings to Bronze Age ideas which are no more credible than...

... a flat earth, or the phlogiston theory of heat.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

And faith is based on evidence...

Hebrews 11:1
NLT, "Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see."


Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

Romans 1:20

Circular Reasoning Logical Fallacy, otherwise known as Bootstrapping.

Your bible is your Claim. You cannot cite your claim as evidence of your claim.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Pretending evidence is something requiring your interpretation is time wasting.

A new level of Extreme Irony is duly noted.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

They are already resolved. Jesus took care of that. I just expose the frauds.

Citation needed. And another case of Extreme Irony.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

If you read through my posts, you'd see that I agree. They are still evolutionists.

"evolutionists" is not a valid term. Nor is it scientific.

It's akin to typifying all creationists are "stupid". That would be incorrect-- many creationists are simply making Bank on others desperate need to Believe, by writing books or opening theme parks. That is anything but stupid.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Maybe God would say to some...depart from me I know you not?

But not you-- you are More Moral than "god"... right?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Your bible is your Claim.

No, the claim is that faith is based on evidence. (That's the claim, in my post you quoted....you can read it.)

Now, since faith is considered mostly a religious quality -- but not solely, as one can have faith in one's family -- I was using a religious text that included a definition of faith.

Take care.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No, the claim is that faith is based on evidence. (That's the claim, in my post you quoted....you can read it.)

Now, since faith is considered mostly a religious quality -- but not solely, as one can have faith in one's family -- I was using a religious text that included a definition of faith.

Take care.

Are you claiming that faith in something you cannot see or know to exist, since there is no evidence, is the same as faith in a family that you have evidence exists and experience existing with them?

That biblical definition has already been explained and rebutted. You have not responded with anything in response to that rebuttal, so it seems you agree with it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, the claim is that faith is based on evidence. (That's the claim, in my post you quoted....you can read it.)

Now, since faith is considered mostly a religious quality -- but not solely, as one can have faith in one's family -- I was using a religious text that included a definition of faith.

Take care.

Yes, thank you. Another example of how the Bible is wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hebrews 11:1
NLT, "Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see."


Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

That don't see/can't see bit implies there is no evidence.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No, the claim is that faith is based on evidence. (That's the claim, in my post you quoted....you can read it.)

Now, since faith is considered mostly a religious quality -- but not solely, as one can have faith in one's family -- I was using a religious text that included a definition of faith.

Take care.

There are, unfortunately, many definitions of the word "faith". This often leads to confusion.

It can also lead to deliberate disingenuous claims, by someone who knows the differences, but is writing as if there was but a single meaning of the word.

I'm not saying you did that, but the other creationist on this thread? Has done exactly that, and with respect to the word "religion" as well, since the OP.

It is a favorite logical fallacy of many people who argue; to conflate the meaning of a word.

 

[Revoltingest]

Construction on the leap over knowledge, reason and understanding to the any random default position in belief is being held up by people with knowledge, reason and understanding. There was an accident on the turnpike outside of Huh? and traffic is being rerouted to North Rational Thought. There are several cars stalled in the left lane of the highway at the exit for Pure Subjective Opinion and this has slowed things down a little, but DOT (Department of Thinking) engineers have things well in hand.

Aye, tis impossible to discuss science with those
who don't even agree on what it is & how it works.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Aye, tis impossible to discuss science with those
who don't even agree on what it is & how it works.

Or assert definitions that are outside of the support of evidence and reason.