Science Proves Nature Was Created

[Saint_of_Me]

If we consider human consciousness and creativity, we understand that it is not separate from all else, it is part of all else and came to pass by an arrangement of what exists, and also arranges that which exists by will, decision, creativity, etc.

We are aware of what is around us, but also composed of what is around us.
We can perceive what we are and what is around us, process the data, rearrange things and even ourselves.

Obviously, the potential for human self-awareness, etc. has always existed.

I'm not saying I know the nature of God -but it seems perfectly logical to me that that some sort of awareness and some sort of stuff of which to be aware have always existed together.

As we are said to be made in the image and likeness of God, God would be similar to us, but greater -The Eternal, the original.

God stated that he would lift himself up -exalt himself -essentially make more of himself -which -in reverse -leaves the question of irreducibility -for which I do not have the answer.

LOL--but see, this is the thing.

The ONLY place where it says we are made in the image of god is in the bible.

And again, as I have said, this is the wrong place to look for anything remotely resembling scientific fact. It is no better than seeking, say, the answer for abio-genesis from a story out of Greek Mythology.

 

[Milton Platt]

I do hear that retort now and then....
but chalk it up to the intention of not following the line of thought.

that you have not the faintest idea about spirit....is the stone chained to your ankle.[/QUOTE

You have not provide any clear linear thinking to follow....

And I have asked you repeatedly to define spirit and apparently you cannot, therefore, I must assume you have no idea either.

 

[Saint_of_Me]

We definitely disagree, but that is understandable.

My specific definition of God (without a complete, extremely lengthy and specific description which would change as I learn, anyway) -is "I AM"

That is to say... that which originally was able to say I AM -or was always able to say I AM in some sense -and that "I AM" both is and caused all that was afterward -being both that which could act and that which could be acted upon -but primarily that/who which could initially act.

"Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist"

If that smacks of evolution, I'm cool with that. Both creation and evolution exist -it is just a matter of which happened when. As I see it, they are both aspects of the same thing.

From what we know of what we call evolution, self-awareness as humans know it resulted from a specific arrangement of "natural" things. I just don't think we were the first self-awareness.

God would essentially be who and what self-evolving or self-rearranging together -an awareness making more/other of itself for itself to be aware, etc. -but at what point any of that is/was/could be irreducible I have no idea.

I believe the following words were from God
(H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym)
-given to Isaiah to record.... (There are many words used to refer to God...Elohim, Jahova, etc... and God is essentially an "us" -even though they are in agreement -but more on that later, perhaps)

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Evidence for that is in the extremely accurate outline of human history recorded in biblical prophecy.

Though God does not necessarily need a mouth, as such -I believe this was spoken by God as focus was drawn by the burning bush....

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

I do not believe God is loathsome for his life and death decisions, because the overall plan outlined in the bible makes those actions quite understandable.

Just as certain things can apply to us -due to our nature -which cannot apply to other life forms -so it is with God and man.

I am very excited to leave this present existence -I smile when I think of loved ones who have passed. I'm cool with God killing.

SBT -Can science resurrect those it has killed?

Really?

You're "cool" with this stuff?..............http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Because of that is the case,I fear you are too far gone for me to continue to converse with on this topic.

 

[Milton Platt]

Really?

You're "cool" with this stuff?..............http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Because of that is the case,I fear you are too far gone for me to continue to converse with on this topic.

Ever hear the phrase "arguing with a signpost"?? LOL These guys cherry-pick what they like from old books and dump the rest...along with making stuff up. Hence his phrase "my definition of god" Who wants his definition??? Tell us what the god ACTUALLY IS. I'm an atheist and I can make up definitions of gods all day long.

 

[Thief]

Ever hear the phrase "arguing with a signpost"?? LOL These guys cherry-pick what they like from old books and dump the rest...along with making stuff up. Hence his phrase "my definition of god" Who wants his definition??? Tell us what the god ACTUALLY IS. I'm an atheist and I can make up definitions of gods all day long.

Almighty.
a term self explanatory.

 

[Thief]

There are others....
Those who are informed but misunderstand &
Those who are misinformed.

like the crowd following the Carpenter.....they heard but did not understand.
like the Pharisees.....holding to what they were told and ignoring the fresh material.

 

[Revoltingest]

like the crowd following the Carpenter.....they heard but did not understand.
like the Pharisees.....holding to what they were told and ignoring the fresh material.

I don't know Bible stories, so they don't explain anything to me.
If I mentioned the ancient Revoltistanian fable of the narwhal & the chicken....
....would you know its message?

 

[Thief]

go for it......
any science in the background?

 

[Milton Platt]

I don't know Bible stories, so they don't explain anything to me.
If I mentioned the ancient Revoltistanian fable of the narwhal & the chicken....
....would you know its message?

That old story? Everybody knows that one!!, LOL

 

[Underhill]

I don't know Bible stories, so they don't explain anything to me.
If I mentioned the ancient Revoltistanian fable of the narwhal & the chicken....
....would you know its message?

It boils down to... 'Never argue with a turkey!'

Paraphrased of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

It boils down to... 'Never argue with a turkey!'

Paraphrased of course.

More precisely.....
Throwing a can of cranberry sauce at a turkey won't fry the bacon.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

That old story? Everybody knows that one!!, LOL

I don't know Bible stories, so they don't explain anything to me.
If I mentioned the ancient Revoltistanian fable of the narwhal & the chicken....
....would you know its message?

As I recall it doesn't end well for the chicken

 

[Revoltingest]

As I recall it doesn't end well for the chicken

Does it ever?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Does it ever?

hmm, good point!

 

[Etritonakin]

LOL--but see, this is the thing.

The ONLY place where it says we are made in the image of god is in the bible.

And again, as I have said, this is the wrong place to look for anything remotely resembling scientific fact. It is no better than seeking, say, the answer for abio-genesis from a story out of Greek Mythology.

Science is an excellent tool -but science alone is insufficient.

You are incorrect to think that I look for scientific fact in the bible.