Omtita
Almost Always Right
Generally there are two possibilities with evidence. Either it is something you stumble over or something you use to justify your conclusions.
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science vs religion - what does it take?
- Thread starter groves200
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Generally there are two possibilities with evidence. Either it is something you stumble over or something you use to justify your conclusions.
outhouse
Atheistically
Imaginaitive methodology will get you no where, when dealing with methodology that determines history.
Evidence keeps mythology and imagination in check.
You dont stumble over evidence, it is something studied, and applied in context to hep determine reality of the world we live in.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I would prefer cause and effect.
Granted...the stars above are very large effect.
No petri dish will ever hold the experiment.
Still cause and effect cannot be separated.
The universe is the effect.....God is the Cause.
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Unless of course, that is untrue.
Now what?
I have the natural evidence of trillions of stars and billions of years that ignore your presence...so...what's your rejoinder again?
McBell
Unbound
and then you throw "cause and effect" out the window...
For all the preaching you do on how science helps you believe in god, it is rather comical that once your science ride gets you to god, you abandon science in order to keep your god.
RitalinOhD
Heathen Humanist
You should probably reconsider these two statements. Unless you think the distance to the Sun is not based on verifiable facts.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
So what do you do when faced with a discrepancy?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Not at all.
Science can take you TO the point of decision.
At that point.....you have to decide.
There will be proof.
You can only think about it.
Substance cannot beget Spirit.
Therefore Spirit first.
Britedream
Active Member
One of the two has to be false.
RitalinOhD
Heathen Humanist
And it's at this point a large percentage of theists start with the apologetics.
Britedream
Active Member
if they reason that, if God is the creator of the universe, and God contradicting with what God suppose to know,does't make sense, that is a valid argument, but if they assuming that human trusted to keep God words, don't in fact corrupt it, that a false argument.
That is why I say one of the two has to be false, if the claim to be God's word conflict with Known Scientific fact, then it must be not from God.
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Very good, not many are willing to admit this.
I imagine an image of god dwindling rapidly in the distance.
McBell
Unbound
Are you ever going to define "spirit" in a meaningful or useful way?
outhouse
Atheistically
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Bold empty claim followed by another bold empty claim.
Are you ever going to define "spirit" in a meaningful or useful way?
Was it not you?....that posted a quoted definition for spirit.
Didn't work for you?
McBell
Unbound
I posted a link to a list of definitions that have been given for the word "spirit" and flat out asked you to reveal which one you use.
You have as yet to pick one.
So the ball is in fact STILL in your court.
No worries though.
You have blatantly avoided defining the word for years, so I am not holding my breath waiting for one.
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
It was just randomly on my mind, what would it take (in your own opinion) to flat out disprove science and prove that god did create everything we see? and vice versa?
I see that science is moving forward in to finding answers while religion is settling on mostly faith alone and as much sophisticated science is today we still can't prove who is right. Do you think we will ever have an answer? what if we do prove without any doubt that for example the big bang theory is correct, would the religious still be religious? and vice versa... how would YOU be proven wrong?also, has science ever proven anything religious to be incorrect with no doubt? and have the religious corrected the bible for it? I don't know so I'm asking.. oh, that also works both ways, has the bible ever proven anything in science to be wrong?
by proof, i don't mean 'because it said so in the book'
ps: doesn't the bible also count as being a theory?
Science, or rather the results of science, can and are disproven on a daily basis. Science lends itself to discredit. That is why the results which continue to stand epitomize the extent of human knowledge.
Asking how one can disprove god or religion (or any other fairy tale) is like asking how you could disprove a dream.
Dream away my friends. You will find me in reality!
Omtita
Almost Always Right
Perched high atop your pedestal in the realm of Reality like Television, can you define the term god for me, please?
Sapiens
Polymathematician
That that is greater than the greatest that can be imagined ... every scifi book,or other advance of imagination, is an arrow to it's heart. :surf:
FunctionalAtheist
Hammer of Reason
Exactly! Thank you for both making and missing my point in one fell swoop.