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Scientific claim: "Hell" exists

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
QuestioningMind said:
The ONLY way that we won't have recurring cases in the future is if somehow all traces of the virus miraculously vanish worldwide overnight.
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Such a statement is not grounded in good science.
We don't have a crystal ball to tell us the future. Bubonic plague, leprosy, those things aren't gone but just aren't an issue like they were in the past. This can happen with covid 19 even if the virus doesn't "miraculously vanish."
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Such a statement is not grounded in good science.
We don't have a crystal ball to tell us the future. Bubonic plague, leprosy, those things aren't gone but just aren't an issue like they were in the past. This can happen with covid 19 even if the virus doesn't "miraculously vanish."
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I never claimed that it's going to be nearly as bad as it has been this year. Just that it will continue to linger... JUST like bubonic plague and leprosy. So yes, that COVID-19 won't miraculously vanish IS grounded on good science.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
QuestioningMind said:
I never claimed that it's going to be nearly as bad as it has been this year. Just that it will continue to linger... JUST like bubonic plague and leprosy. So yes, that COVID-19 won't miraculously vanish IS grounded on good science.
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This was your claim:
QuestioningMind said:
Except that science knows enough about infectious viruses to be able to say with certainty that it WILL come back every year.
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It's possible, but we don't know this will definitely happen.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
QuestioningMind said:
It's not just possible, it's extremely probable. In fact it would be pretty near miraculous if it somehow did vanish over the next 12 months and not a single case turned up next year.
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Your claim wasn't vanishing. Your claim was it becoming a yearly thing.
 
Brent Mcnealy

Brent Mcnealy

Member
stvdv said:
@Brent Mcnealy did not say that specifically, but maybe he meant it, that I don't know. Better ask him what he meant, I rather don't speculate
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What I meant was that first some science says masks work. Then later another science says they dont. Quarantine and isolation are backed by science right now, but years ago the science showed the healthy advantages of human touch and close companionship.
What I meant when I said Money creates junk science was that there is a lot of junk science out there in the world. Even in this covid crap. Its easiest to identify the junk science if you follow the money.
If someone (@questioning mind) is placing words in my mouth. That person is simply creating their own made up arguament they can debate.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Brent Mcnealy said:
What I meant was that first some science says masks work. Then later another science says they dont. Quarantine and isolation are backed by science right now, but years ago the science showed the healthy advantages of human touch and close companionship.
What I meant when I said Money creates junk science was that there is a lot of junk science out there in the world. Even in this covid crap. Its easiest to identify the junk science if you follow the money.
If someone (@questioning mind) is placing words in my mouth. That person is simply creating their own made up arguament they can debate.
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Thank you for your reply. I guessed already that this is what you meant, after reading your positive and interesting information in your profile.

IMO:

You are right about science and masks and messing up, and that was no coincidence IMO. 1918 they had the Spanish flu. And even then they knew that masks works (all old photos show people wearing masks). And now with Covid, suddenly scientists don't know what to do. Even dentists and surgeons wear masks. One need not be an Einstein to understand that masks do have effect in controlling spreading of Corona.

So, this proves that all Governments, W.H.O. and Prime Ministers and Presidents are stupid OR they have been (and are) spreading fake news on purpose. And that is really bad. So, they must have a hidden agenda, I am quite sure. I can understand why they do it. Within a few years it will be all very clear to the world I think.

This all fits in the Latin picture of "panem et circenses = Bread and circuses", so give the people something to eat and some play to watch, that will keep them quiet. Exactly this is what Governments etc. are doing right now. I am 99.99% convinced of this. Governments are involved this Game
 
Brent Mcnealy

Brent Mcnealy

Member
QuestioningMind said:
Yet Brent Mcnealy wrote 'money creates junk science' as if that's all that has to be said in order to dismiss the Covid vaccines.
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Dont put words in my mouth. I did not say it dismissed the vaccine. You did. You stated something as if somemone else said it so you could debate it. Thats sad. So many bad debate tactics at this site. Now you can say I am confusing. Etc etc.
The junk science reply was simply to say not all science is good. DDT and chloroflourocarbons as an example. And the "covid debate" is ripe with money and junk science is definitly going around
This whole covid thing is completely saturated with money motivated science. There is some real science but there is a lot of junk. First masks work. Then they dont. Then they do again. All supported by science. Then lockdowns worl then they dont. Half of this covid crap today is. total marketing to make money and there is junk science
As far as the vaccine. I didnt dismiss it as junk science. You were just trying to make yourself an easy debate by saying what someome else meant (which they didnt) Personally I dont like the vaccine but thats different than dismissing it as totally as junk science.
As far as the science . . . Its an RNA vaccine and the approach is new and uncharted waters as far as vaccines go.
They basically are trying to vaccinate a cold virus (coronavirus)and as we know there is no cure for the common cold. But they have a new untested approach using engineered RNA. This is noy a normal vaccine. That is the science.
But this new vaccine if it can vaccinate sucessfully against a coronavirus may change the way they think.
This new approach to vaccines is not only a new approach but it also is being rushed through by politicians and the fda. Upon the whole population. Not a good thing. It should be tested more thoroughly. We should know this lesson from history. So many times has hindsight been a lesson in science.
Also vaccines against a virus like the flu vaccine are simply a best guess at the viruses next mutation in order to stay ahead of it and get it right. a
And flu vaccines are never 100 percent sure they will get it right. A virus can mutate making the vaccine impotent and ineffective against the current strain.
Also in science natural immunity by catching a flu virus and getting over it provides better and longer immunity memory than a vaccine does. There is a shelf life to how long it stays effective. Natural immunity is longer.
Thats the science of it all. Didnt dismiss it all as junk science. Its a new RNA vaccine attempt.
Now. I dont want this vaccine. I have studied the science. I am 60 years old and I personally take no pharmacuticle medications. Not even ibuprofen or aspirin. Have been offered it by doctors. Always turn it down. Too many side effects and usually tteating a symptom instead of the cause or targeting a specific organ without looking at total body immune system hralth and balance. Whenever there is a health problem I find other means and throw those medications they try to give me away. I dont take pharmacuticles.
My doctors say I am the healthiest person they see at yheir location. And that even though they try by taking all kinds of tests that they can find nothing wrong with me. I am healthy at 60 amd refuse chemicalised medicare.

I did not say junk science dismissed this vaccine. But I will say "junk science" and money influenced media marketing, proliferate the path of covid_19 tteatment.
And I personally will not take this vaccine. It has not been thoroughly tested as it should for a new chemical technology.
Also it should not be widely tested on the population without long term studies first.
And if it is rushed through. There should be no waivers of liability. Thats just adding to the reckless carelessness of the unproven science.
Now if you made it this far I will say I believe in freedom. If you want the vaccine and its available. Feel free to go and have it put inside you. It is your prerogative.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Brent Mcnealy said:
And if it is rushed through. There should be no waivers of liability. Thats just adding to the reckless carelessness of the unproven science.
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I agree with all you said. Thanks for explaining it in such detail.

And especially bad, IMO, is that they want to (indirect) enforce it on all people waving liability. I can understand why they do it; just $$$-business
 
Q

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Brent Mcnealy said:
Dont put words in my mouth. I did not say it dismissed the vaccine. You did. You stated something as if somemone else said it so you could debate it. Thats sad. So many bad debate tactics at this site. Now you can say I am confusing. Etc etc.
The junk science reply was simply to say not all science is good. DDT and chloroflourocarbons as an example. And the "covid debate" is ripe with money and junk science is definitly going around
This whole covid thing is completely saturated with money motivated science. There is some real science but there is a lot of junk. First masks work. Then they dont. Then they do again. All supported by science. Then lockdowns worl then they dont. Half of this covid crap today is. total marketing to make money and there is junk science
As far as the vaccine. I didnt dismiss it as junk science. You were just trying to make yourself an easy debate by saying what someome else meant (which they didnt) Personally I dont like the vaccine but thats different than dismissing it as totally as junk science.
As far as the science . . . Its an RNA vaccine and the approach is new and uncharted waters as far as vaccines go.
They basically are trying to vaccinate a cold virus (coronavirus)and as we know there is no cure for the common cold. But they have a new untested approach using engineered RNA. This is noy a normal vaccine. That is the science.
But this new vaccine if it can vaccinate sucessfully against a coronavirus may change the way they think.
This new approach to vaccines is not only a new approach but it also is being rushed through by politicians and the fda. Upon the whole population. Not a good thing. It should be tested more thoroughly. We should know this lesson from history. So many times has hindsight been a lesson in science.
Also vaccines against a virus like the flu vaccine are simply a best guess at the viruses next mutation in order to stay ahead of it and get it right. a
And flu vaccines are never 100 percent sure they will get it right. A virus can mutate making the vaccine impotent and ineffective against the current strain.
Also in science natural immunity by catching a flu virus and getting over it provides better and longer immunity memory than a vaccine does. There is a shelf life to how long it stays effective. Natural immunity is longer.
Thats the science of it all. Didnt dismiss it all as junk science. Its a new RNA vaccine attempt.
Now. I dont want this vaccine. I have studied the science. I am 60 years old and I personally take no pharmacuticle medications. Not even ibuprofen or aspirin. Have been offered it by doctors. Always turn it down. Too many side effects and usually tteating a symptom instead of the cause or targeting a specific organ without looking at total body immune system hralth and balance. Whenever there is a health problem I find other means and throw those medications they try to give me away. I dont take pharmacuticles.
My doctors say I am the healthiest person they see at yheir location. And that even though they try by taking all kinds of tests that they can find nothing wrong with me. I am healthy at 60 amd refuse chemicalised medicare.

I did not say junk science dismissed this vaccine. But I will say "junk science" and money influenced media marketing, proliferate the path of covid_19 tteatment.
And I personally will not take this vaccine. It has not been thoroughly tested as it should for a new chemical technology.
Also it should not be widely tested on the population without long term studies first.
And if it is rushed through. There should be no waivers of liability. Thats just adding to the reckless carelessness of the unproven science.
Now if you made it this far I will say I believe in freedom. If you want the vaccine and its available. Feel free to go and have it put inside you. It is your prerogative.
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How funny. You write:

I did not say it dismissed the vaccine.

Then you write a small novel basically trying to dismiss the vaccine as junk science.
 
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