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Scientific Evidence for Universal Common Descent

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Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
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It is a puzzle for the ages....
I'm still curious as to how the creationist believes that this "marker" within the mtGenome carries more phylogenetic weight than using the ENTIRE mtGenome, which surely would have many more such 'markers'.

Is it even possible that we could be looking at the most successful, elaborate Poe ever?
You see, the science of the creationist is not like the science of a square. They use a double dose of doubling down that allows them to speak confidently out of both sides of their face.

The Poe status is something that occurred to me too. Certainly, it would be one of the most successful I have ever encountered.
 

tas8831

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This was a classic - his own link debunked his notions! Too many big science words, I guess.
Here is a decent summary about mtDNA, and the 'Eve gene'.. the flag that indicates direct descendancy.
https://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/eve.html
One tiny piece of our DNA is inherited only down the female line. It is called mitochondrial DNA because it is held as a unique circular strand in small tubular packets known as mitochondria that function rather like batteries within the cell cytoplasm.
:facepalm:
My goodness, the page's main picture said it all:

eve.jpg


And then in the second paragraph, which Mr.Beta HAD to have read:

"So each of us inherits our mtDNA from our own mother, who inherited her mtDNA intact from her mother, and so on back through the generations – hence mtDNA’s popular name, ‘the Eve gene’."


But no - the "Eve" gene is REAL! It is a 'flag', a 'marker' that only humans have, that only women have, that proves humanity's separate creation and 'descendency'....

This is what educated Americans are dealing with from these fanatical Dunning-Kruger effect sufferers.
 

tas8831

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You see, the science of the creationist is not like the science of a square. They use a double dose of doubling down that allows them to speak confidently out of both sides of their face.

The Poe status is something that occurred to me too. Certainly, it would be one of the most successful I have ever encountered.
Ah, the rare quadtupling down. Very rare, only seen among the most desperate and under-informed, yet confident and angry.
 

Subduction Zone

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Oh yes - I have the links to prove it:

Scientific Evidence for Universal Common Descent

I do like how he actually tried to temper his original false claims toward the end, but still could not being his ego to allow him to outright admit to an error.

Regressives are like that.
I do appreciate that this site, like most, has a limit on how long one can edit a post. That is only reasonable. In fact instant edits do not even show up, mistakes that one notices as soon as one hits the post button, do not even show up as being edited. And normal edits leave the fact that one edited a post. But if one screws up and will not admit an error one's error can be there forever.

Ironically all that one has to do to make the problem "go away" is to own up to one's mistakes. When a person cannot admit that he was in error it is fair game to bring up those mistakes time after time.
 

Subduction Zone

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This was a classic - his own link debunked his notions! Too many big science words, I guess.:facepalm:
My goodness, the page's main picture said it all:

eve.jpg


And then in the second paragraph, which Mr.Beta HAD to have read:

"So each of us inherits our mtDNA from our own mother, who inherited her mtDNA intact from her mother, and so on back through the generations – hence mtDNA’s popular name, ‘the Eve gene’."


But no - the "Eve" gene is REAL! It is a 'flag', a 'marker' that only humans have, that only women have, that proves humanity's separate creation and 'descendency'....

This is what educated Americans are dealing with from these fanatical Dunning-Kruger effect sufferers.


I had to click on reply to see the picture. I am betting that he does not see his error. We know that he won't own up to it.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
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Ah, the rare quadtupling down. Very rare, only seen among the most desperate and under-informed, yet confident and angry.
The responses I see from our host are indicative of similar responses I see to other prominent scientific positions. In my view, they are less about religion, than they are about politics. There is a great deal of effort spent trying to equate certain positions based on scientific evidence with a socialist or progressive political position. Of course, often these fundamentalist political views are so intermingled with fundamentalist religious views, it is difficult to tease them apart.

Another feature that has become intermingled with this irrational fundy stance is the inclusion of various conspiracy theories that are seen as the result or the underlying cause for all problems that fundys dislike.
 

tas8831

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Ironically all that one has to do to make the problem "go away" is to own up to one's mistakes. When a person cannot admit that he was in error it is fair game to bring up those mistakes time after time.

Agreed - especially when said person presents him or herself as having grand scientific knowledge and accuses others of being pretenders and 'indoctrinees'.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Is it even possible that we could be looking at the most successful, elaborate Poe ever?
I don't think so. It looks to me like @usfan uses name-calling, taunting, and other childish behavior as a way to avoid having to deal with the science. He just recently did that with the separate ancestry-common ancestry paper I posted a link to. The more I stuck to the science and ignored his flaming, the more extreme his rhetoric became, culminating in his "Anytime you think you have the intelligence and the balls, to debate me straight up over science, I'm here" taunt. Right after that I called for him to focus more on the science we were supposed to be discussing, and he completely ignored it and called me another name.

So IMO, the best strategy is to completely ignore his name-calling and taunts, not engage in any of it yourself, and stay as focused as possible on the science and nothing else.

That appears to be his kryptonite.
 
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