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Good....there is also this saying in Chan Buddhism, "The true Dharma (read teaching) is that there is no true Dharma. nevertheless this Dharma that is there is no true Dharma, is the true Dharma!" - From the Teachings of Huang Po...The closest translation to that line the Daodejing is something like 'The Dao that is Dao is not Dao'I like that.
Quran describes it in a verse thus:
As Ben D will happily agree, there are many things we both strenuously disagree on, however on his description above he is largely quite correct.
The net result is that they are very different practices. Likewise, meditation is Abrahamic religions is a very different beast from the meditation practices in Eastern traditions. Meditation, in Abrahamic terms is more akin to contemplation.
Ben D beat me with his fairly good answer. For more information see post #304
Not really, @paarsurrey As is fairly common in conversations like this, followers of Abrahamic religions do not have a very great understanding of these topics due to their entrenched dogmatic thinking. Of course, you are welcome to believe what you wish, but as a seasoned meditator I can tell you that I can stop my thought process in a heartbeat and maintain a thoughtless state for pretty much as long as I wish. This quality or state does take a high degree of focus and practice and is not something that most people can do for more than a second or two.
Again, @ben d is fairly close to my thinking on this matter to the point that our differences are almost purely one of semantics. Thanks for helping clarify what I was intending, Ben D. I do appreciate it.
Ah hah, I was not aware of that passage, thank you..Quran describes it in a verse thus:
Verse (39:42)
Sahih International: Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die [He takes] during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others for a specified term. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran
Regards
I am in agreement with you YmirGF, happily so...As Ben D will happily agree, there are many things we both strenuously disagree on, however on his description above he is largely quite correct.
In even simpler terms, which @ben d may or may not agree with.... In meditation, one transcends the subject/object divide whereas in prayer, by its very nature, one maintains or strengthens the subject/object divide (in all but the rarest of cases). Would you agree, Ben D?
And I am delighted that we share this common understanding YmirGF.
Very true, the scientific method can only work with aspects of reality that can be measured and manipulated, it can''t work with the immeasurable, particularly when the immeasurable does measuring and manipulation of It's own..
I'm going to disagree a bit here. In meditation, if one follows direction, precisely, one will gain more or less the same experiences. In that regard, meditation states can be verified by others and are not simple faith claims.
True, and also there are brain scans that indicate changes taking place in specific parts of the brain that can be replicated when subjects meditate, but the actual transcendent state of mind remains unknown to science, for it is subjective, while the brain scans are objective.
Why? You think Nyaya and Vaisesika Sutra are not part of Hinduism?
Hinduism is not a religion, it is a conglomerate of religions under the general/blanket term of "Hinduism".
If God says to use blueberries, then blueberries are used.
Phenomena themselves, upon which "technology" depends, don't say things like "we are moving with no divine impetus" or "we are silent on the presence of God." Those things are a generation of materialism.
NO. You are completely mistaken. There is no such thing as Vedic religion that is apart from hinduism.
I don't agree, I believe no god is needed in science at all, that would only hold them back.
Vedic religion
Then its simply a historical term that depicts the early period of Hinduism. The religion, the philosophy, the theology and the revelations have all massively increased since then. Many of the Brahmanas, Gita, Upanisads, Mahabharata, Ramayana, the great Sutras, the Shastras, the Smritis, the Puranas, the Agama literature (also considered revelations) postdate the period. Hinduism does not believe in unique revelation, but rather a continuous series of revelations and incarnations by which the transcendent is made manifest in the mortal world.