Scientific methodology to study alien presence on earth.

[cybersurf]

Actually, my computer was built using circuit theory. I have yet to see one of the spectacularly rare and expensive quantum computers on the home market.

Your computer is a basic binary machine working with semiconducor junction devices, transistors, there's some hundred million transistors in its chip. And semiconductor electronics works on quantum mechanical principles, and of course, probability mathematics.

Also, you mentioned evidence. Exopolitics works on lack of evidence, and is therefore not a science, social or otherwise.

Wrong. Social sciences work with probability and other methods, mathematics and probabilities are some of them.

 

[cybersurf]

Again, the scientific evidence shows there was nothing extraterrestrial that crashed at Roswell.

Wrong! There is social sciences scientific evidence on extraterrestrial craft crashing at Roswell. The evidence has to be indirect, since the hard evidence was taken away by governmental agencies and authorities:

60th Anniversary of the Roswell Crash: Exopolitical Signficance of the Walter Haut Affidavit

Sixty years ago, on the evening of July 2, 1947, a farmer by the name of Mac Brazel and others heard a loud explosion nearby his farm approximately 75 miles NW of Roswell, in Lincoln County, New Mexico. On the morning of July 3, he investigated and found the wreckage of what appeared to be a flying saucer. He reported the find to the Sheriff's office who then notified the nearby Roswell Army Air Field (AAF) base that sent two military intelligence officers to investigate. The result of the military's investigation led to the famous press release on July 8 that a flying saucer had crashed. This generated instant media interest around the world. As the media interest began to build, another press release was quickly issued, this time by more senior military authorities, claiming the initial release was mistaken. It was only a weather balloon and not a flying saucer. Interest in the Roswell story then waned and it wasn't heard of again for another thirty years.

In 1978 one of the officers that conducted the initial military investigation, Major Jesse Marcel, contacted Stanton Friedman, a veteran UFO researcher, and told him the truth about events at Roswell. The subsequent publication of The Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore in 1980 which revealed the testimony of Marcel and others, brought the Roswell story back into public attention. The Roswell Crash has ever since been on the center stage of public interest generating further investigations, books and media interest. One month ago, another book was published which contained a notarized affidavit by another key military official involved in events at Roswell. The affidavit by Lieutenant Walter Haut containing his version of events at Roswell is in the final chapter of Witness to Roswell (2007) by Tom Carey and Donald Schmitt (also online at: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/haut.html#anchor_8 ).

Haut's testimony promises to once again make the Roswell Crash a cause for great media attention.

Walter Haut was the Public Information Officer at Roswell AAF and was the individual that circulated the famous press release on July 8, 1947 claiming a flying saucer crash. Haut's affidavit was written in December 2002 and authorized for release after his death. He died in December of 2005 and the affidavit was then published in Carey's and Schmitt's book, Witness to Roswell. A comprehensive book review by Dr David Rudiak appears online at: http://tinyurl.com/2ll4ec.

The affidavit has some startling information for those interested in the political implications of extraterrestrial life or what has come to be known as the field of Exopolitics. The most important is that a staff meeting occurred on the morning of July 8 where Roswell AAF officers discussed how to deal with growing public and press interest in the wreckage found at TWO crash sites. Haut stated: "The main topic of discussion ... was an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell" (Affidavit #8). This was Mac Brazel's farm and was the subject of earlier investigation by Major Marcel, the Roswell base's chief intelligence officer, who gave his report at the meeting. The second site was 40 miles north of Roswell and was not generally known to researchers of the Roswell crash. The base commander, Col. William Blanchard, gave a brief report on wreckage found at the second site.

The most surprising fact about the staff meeting was that General Roger Ramey, whose headquarters was Carswell AAF Fort Worth, Texas, was also present. Haut reveals that Ramey devised a strategy for throwing the public and press off track about the two crash sites. According to Haut, "General Ramey proposed a plan, which I believed originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location [Mac Brazel's ranch]. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed" (#9). Ramey approved a press release pointing to the more remote and less important site near Mac Brazel's ranch, and later retracting this announcement with the weather balloon story that appeared in the news the later on July 8 and the morning of July 9. This strategy succeeded in taking the flying saucer story off the news headlines, and confusing members of the public and press that had witnessed or were investigating events.

General Ramey's role in the cover up is significant. It was Ramey that ordered Major Jesse Marcel, whose report that a flying saucer had crashed at the more remote location in the July 8 press release, to fly to Fort Worth to appear at a press conference. Marcel was ordered to be photographed crouching quietly over what appeared to be material from a weather balloon. This was used to buttress Ramey's claim that the Roswell wreckage was from a weather balloon. Marcel was forced to keep silent and about the affair for over 30 years. In 1978 he approached Stanton Friedman over what he had really seen at the Roswell crash site, thus reviving interest in the Roswell story. Jesse Marcel's son, recently authored his own book about what he had had been shown by his father who brought some of the Roswell wreckage home. Marcel's book is to be released at next week's 60th anniversary of the Roswell crash: http://www.marceljr.com/roswell60th.htm

Haut's affidavit indicates that Ramey was operating under orders by the Pentagon which had been briefed about the two crash sites. It is clear that the staff meeting was focused on controlling press and public interest in the crash sites. It is significant that no discussion occurred for supervising security at the sites or for retrieval of the crashed material. This is surprising since it would have been expected that given its proximity and resources, Roswell AAF would play a prominent role. This suggests that security and retrieval operations at the crash sites were being surprised at a higher level than the general staff at Roswell AAF. Clearly, the Pentagon had deployed its own specialist teams for controlling security and retrieval operations. Roswell AAF would supply manpower, resources, and throw the public off the trail by contradictory press releases, but little in the way of leadership.

Haut also says that he was taken to one of the Roswell hangars by the base commander, Col Blanchard later on July 8 where he saw part of the wreckage that "was approximately 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape" (12). Haut also saw under canvas tarpaulin, with the heads sticking out, two bodies of the victims who appeared to be the size of a 10 year old child. He said that at "a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height" (13).

Haut's affidavit helps confirm the historical timeline concerning events at the 1947 Roswell crash, and the subsequent cover-up of extraterrestrial life. So we are in a better position to understand the public policies implemented by national security leaders to manage extraterrestrial affairs. What follows are some of the key exopolitical implications of Haut's affidavit.

First, the affidavit helps corroborate a number of leaked Majestic Documents concerning Roswell and its aftermath. These documents first began to be leaked to the public in 1984 and there has been continuing controversy over their authenticity ever since. A number of the documents relate to events surrounding the Roswell Crash. One is an Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) Field Order on July 4 directing a small team to investigate the crash site: http://209.132.68.98/pdf/ipu_fieldorder.pdf ). This date is consistent with the dates concerning the reports of a crash on the evening of July 2 and discovery of debris by Mac Brazel on July 3, 75 miles NW of Roswell. Marcel arrived on July 6/7 and retrieved some of the material and took it first home where he showed his family, and then to the Roswell base. It is unlikely he would have been allowed to do so if the IPU was at the Mac Brazel ranch. Consequently, the IPU most likely investigated the more significant crash site only 40 miles north of Roswell which had the larger portion of the crash wreckage and the EBE (extraterrestrial biological entities) witnessed by Haut at the Roswell hangar. This was the subject of an IPU Report on July 22, which referred to: "the extraordinary recovery of fallen airborne objects in the State of New Mexico between 4 July and 6 July 1947." It also refers to several bodies being taken to hospital at Roswell AAF. These were very likely the same bodies that Haut witnessed at the Roswell Hangar on July 8.

Exopolitics Comment - 52

 

[tumbleweed41]

Hoax and pseudoscience.
I prefer reality.

Enjoy

 

[cybersurf]

Hoax and pseudoscience.
I prefer reality.

Enjoy

You have no idea of what social sciences mean.

 

[cybersurf]

What the hell...?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cybersurf
Wrong! Widespread agreement from political actors, like William Clinton, Ronald Reagan and other less known governmental persons.

You're trolling right?

Clinton said there is a secret government for the USA, and he knows nothing about it, he also said there's classified UFO documents and that we wants to know about them.

Reagan proposed the subject of ET presence on Earth on UN talks, shortly therafter he got shot at.

One of the presidential candidates for the past elections said we wanted to know about Roswell, but was denied acces because "that is classified stuf".

 

[cybersurf]

What the hell...?


Originally Posted by cybersurf
What is your unsuprted proof that the Majestic Documents are a hoax. Please provide your proof!
The documents are clearly faked; there are numerous errors in chronology and formatting. The papers have been studied by the AFOSI and independent investigators and the overwhelming majority concluded the papers are a fraud.

Provide the proof!

The majestic documents were refered by William Cooper, as navy inteligence personell. Cooper descriptions of the documents he withnessed has been proven so far.

 

[Nepenthe]

Provide the proof!

The majestic documents were refered by William Cooper, as navy inteligence personell. Cooper descriptions of the documents he withnessed has been proven so far.

Milton William Cooper? The same William Cooper who had conspiracy theories for the Kennedy assasination, E.T.s, secret moon bases, and the NWO? The same Cooper who later retracted his E.T. claims only to claim UFO hoaxes were perpretated by the Illumanati? A tax protester and tax evader who died when he was shot by police after he initiated a gunfight and wounded an officer?

 

[cybersurf]

Nepenthe;1781456]Milton William Cooper? The same William Cooper who had conspiracy theories for the Kennedy assasination, E.T.s, secret moon bases, and the NWO?

The same Bill Cooper whose Kennedy assasination theories have been proved right not only by video footage of the scene but by L. B. Johnson himself and his lover too.

The E.T. presence is a social sciences and phisical sciences proof too., and the NWO advocated by Gordon Brown, Angela Merkel, Obama, Bush, Sarcozi and many others.

The same Cooper who later retracted his E.T. claims only to claim UFO hoaxes were perpretated by the Illumanati? A tax protester and tax evader who died when he was shot by police after he initiated a gunfight and wounded an officer?

Wrong. Cooper said he saw the documents refered by him on E.T.s and secret government of earth while he was intel officer for the navy, but that he believed that it "might be a plot by the illuminaty" to subjugate mankind. In other words, he acertain he saw the documents but he expresed the hypothesis that the illuminaty might be faking the ETs.

You need to go back to schoold and understand the proces of social sciences evidence.

 

[cybersurf]

Nepenthe;1775182]What the hell...?

Originally Posted by cybersurf
Sallas claim can be substantiated with evidence. Can you substantiate with evidence your claim, if your claim is not substantiated with evidence, then your claim is no more than a conspiracy theory.

What evidence does Salla have? Nothing. He's arguing that the complete absence of any evidence to support UFOs is evidence of a coverup, a coverup that he offers zero evidence to support. Like most conspiracy theories Salla's rantings are unfalsifiable and completely unsupported.

Salla's evidence is social sciences evidence and it's plenty. You need to go back to school and learn well what the social sciences process is.

 

[cybersurf]

William Cooper expose on ET's is confirmed by scientology inteligence and scientology processes:

I have here a tape - a video made by three gentlemen, and one of them is called William Cooper. He is an ex-intelligence officer for the United states Navy, and his job was to brief high level officials over what was the American relationship with aliens, with people from outer space. It was all above top secret, you understand. And he has recently, last year I believe, decided that what he had been - well he's retired now from the Navy. He decided that all of this secrecy was not in the best interests of his country. Remember this I told you about earlier, before the meeting began, about these military people who decided that the secrecy that they were being made to agree to was not in the best interest of their country. Now he's like one of those. He started talking about these things to inform not only his friends but his congressmen and the people in the government. The thanks he got for that, he was tried to be assassinated twice. He lost one of his legs in one of the attempts and he's had a severe wound in the head. But he's still going. OK, sounds familiar? Yeah, OK.

Another one is a man named John Lear, and he is the son of the man who invented the Lear Jet, you know the private jets. All right, so he's no flake He's a millionaire himself, and he's the guy in the picture with the blond, white hair, the white haired guy. Very nice "Anzug" (suit). And the other is a man named Bill Hamilton, who'll you see first. And we have somebody here who actually knows him personally and would like to just tell you about him for about a minute. It's Diane Marple from the US.

CBR UFO Lecture

 

[cybersurf]

Now here is the Trilateral insignia and.. oh yes, you'll find this out from this article here. I said for the Andromedans, because this article here tells you that the-grey aliens that the nations of the world have made an agreement with, including the USA, are from Andromeda. That's the next galaxy, come on. It's true actually. This is the first article I've found that actually stated where they are from. And when we had this I knew that everything was as written by LRH and as found by our auditing. 'Cause we found out in auditing years ago. But we didn't want to say anything, 'cause people just laughed and said - Yeah, but you just got that off the E-meter. We know a lot of things about these guys, and now it's all starting to come out. And everybody will know about it within the next 10 years. You're the first people in Europe besides the French people I gave a lecture to last month that will know the whole story before anybody else on the planet, even the governments who are running them, they don't know everything. OK.

William Cooper expose was confirmed even before Cooper made the video.

This is a process for the social sciences scientific methodology. There's besides a confirmation that the scientology processing (auditing) does indeed uncovers forgotten memories of past lives and that confirmation comes from a non scientologist who uses the scientology process.

This is social sciences scientific methodology to verify and find the truth. If you don't believe it, go back to school and verify.

 

[cybersurf]

A kinisciologist confirms the validity of scientology processing called auditing:

Note on from Stephanie Relfe on Scientology

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I have never been a member of the Church of $cientology, and do not recommend it to anyone. However, the technology called Clearing which I used in The Mars Records comes largely from the work of Ron Hubbard (who also used the work of others). I learned Clearing from people who were in the church years ago. I understand that in 1982 thousands of people left the Church in protest at the direction it was taking. There are many people part of a loose group called the "Free Zone" that works outside the church.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This technology is so powerful at uncovering hidden memories, that I believe Hubbard was "got at" on a number of times, and the organisation taken over by dark forces. The particular technology I use has similarities to Dianetics . It has no similarity to scientology processes and practically none to the Church of Scientology "upper levels" (as I have never done these). I understand that the kind of work I do comes from the work Hubbard did around the mid 60s. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You will see in the Mars Records that I give references to some of his books. I am told that all kinds of people were getting incredible results back in the early days. Then, for no reason, he changed the technology and rules greatly. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I believe that no one in the church does the basic kind of clearing I do - which is simply, looking for the cause for upset and negative charge, and removing it by viewing it completely. Remember, a knife is not useful or dangerous on its own - it depends on who is using it. In addition, I believe that no one in the church would ever recommend or even allow the use of kinesiology or deliverance as I do (They call doing anything other than what the higher ups allow "squirrelling").[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here's a strange thought: I was told by a friend who knew Hubbard that Hubbard's butler told him there were THREE different Hubbards' at three different times. He said they had three very different shoe and body sizes. Others have told me that the technology had three main eras, each one quite different from the others. Certainly if you listen to different audio tapes of Hubbard, his voice changed[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]dramatically over the years. And certainly, when you understand how organised the dark side is on this planet, and the power of this technology, it stands to reason that they would interfere.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Stephanie Relfe[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Feb 6 2003 [/FONT]

Note on Scientology​

 

[cybersurf]

Here we find verification on the claims by Willam Cooper, from a diferent area, Scientology, and verification of the scientology procedures by a non scientologist. This is Social Sciences scientific process, to verify.

 

[te_lanus]

William Cooper expose was confirmed even before Cooper made the video.

This is a process for the social sciences scientific methodology. There's besides a confirmation that the scientology processing (auditing) does indeed uncovers forgotten memories of past lives and that confirmation comes from a non scientologist who uses the scientology process.

This is social sciences scientific methodology to verify and find the truth. If you don't believe it, go back to school and verify.

Me don't think the Greys/Zetans, Nordics, Pleiadians, or theReptilians/Draconians/Saurians is going to like this

 

[tumbleweed41]

This is social sciences scientific methodology to verify and find the truth. If you don't believe it, go back to school and verify.

Attempts to carry the successful scientific method of the physical sciences over to the social sciences have met with mixed success at best. The behavior of persons and groups can seldom be predicted accurately, much less controlled.
The standards for truth in the community of social scientists do not meet the current standards of empirical verification in the community of physical sciences, for example, the diagnosis of a client as having OCD. In cases like this the test of truth is an agreement by a panel of competent community members in good standing, given the same raw empirical data.
Thus, social science methodology has a much 'softer' set of evidences to come to the 'truth' than the physical sciences.
And your examples of xenopolitics exhibit the softest of evidences, rendering your 'truths' unverifiable in even the most liberal sense of the word.

 

[te_lanus]

I said for the Andromedans, because this article here tells you that the-grey aliens

Somebody got their facts wrong here. The Greys/Zetans isn't from Andromeda, they are from Zeta Reticuli

This is the group of aliens who abducted Betty and Barney Hill in 1958. and these are the ones who have supposedly been doing the majority of the abductions. They are said to have no emotions and little regard for human life .
The dim point of light known to us as Zeta Reticuli is actually a binary star system, and its two stars are each very much like our own yellow sun. It is not visible in the northern hemisphere. In our (Earth) sky, it is approximately equidistant between the constellation Orion and the Celestial South Pole. The constellation Reticulum is a fairly small collection of faint stars, of which zeta is barely visible to the naked eye even though it is relatively close to us at approximately 40 light years ~ right around the corner in Galactic terms
They ’feed’ off of human and animal vital fluids by rubbing a ’liquid protein’ formula on their bodies, which is then absorbed through the skin. Like typical reptiles which shed their skins the ’waste’ is excreted back through the skin. The Greys range from 3 ½ to 4 ½ ft. tall on the average, with skin colors ranging from gray-white to grey-brown to gray-green to grey-blue. Aside from feeding off of human and animal proteins and fluids, they also allegedly feed off the ’life energy’, the ’vital essence’ or ’soul energy’ of humans as do other reptilian species.

This is why those humans seen working with the Greys (implanted and programmed ’drones’, whether willingly or unwillingly) have appeared ’lifeless’ and ’emotionless’ to the witnesses who observed them. The Zeta’s or Greys live in the Constellation "Reticulum" by the Star "Zeta 2 Reticuli" a planet was discovered there and then suddenly taken off the list! Alien Races And Descriptions - 6

ANDROMEDANS
The Andromedan Council has ordered all extraterrestrial presences on the planet, in the planet, and on the moon to be completely out of our space. They want everything that's ET, benevolent or not, off the planet. This will be very interesting since there are over 1,833 reptilians living in our planet and over 18,000 grays living underground and on the moon. The council would like to see how we will live with each other when we are not being manipulated by ETs, as we have been for the last 5,723 years

 

[cybersurf]

Me don't think the Greys/Zetans, Nordics, Pleiadians, or theReptilians/Draconians/Saurians is going to like this

They didn't.

 

[cybersurf]

Attempts to carry the successful scientific method of the physical sciences over to the social sciences have met with mixed success at best. The behavior of persons and groups can seldom be predicted accurately, much less controlled.
The standards for truth in the community of social scientists do not meet the current standards of empirical verification in the community of physical sciences, for example, the diagnosis of a client as having OCD. In cases like this the test of truth is an agreement by a panel of competent community members in good standing, given the same raw empirical data.
Thus, social science methodology has a much 'softer' set of evidences to come to the 'truth' than the physical sciences.
And your examples of xenopolitics exhibit the softest of evidences, rendering your 'truths' unverifiable in even the most liberal sense of the word.

You need to go back to school and see that the "social sciences" process you're describing is really not scientific social sciences methodology.

The valid social sciences methodology is different.

 

[cybersurf]

Somebody got their facts wrong here. The Greys/Zetans isn't from Andromeda, they are from Zeta Reticuli

According to the UFO lecture of Capt. Bill Robertson, it was found that the Andromedans have a water planet in Zeta Reticulum, and that's why they say they're from there, Z Reticulum. But they arrived from Andromeda:

Now you have these articles that say implanters have come from Andromeda. At first they told everybody they only came from Betelgeuse, but I knew that they must have only come there because they have a water planet there, and they needed water and material for their sustenance and for their food and and for their ships. They say - How do you know all this stuff? I know all this stuff, because if you're gonna get this stuff, shall we say "floating on your needle", you have to know the truth .



And we know that they were lying about this, and when I first heard about this United States-thing, somebody wrote me and said - Hey- did you know this is happening? And these guys are from Betelgeuse? I wrote him back and said - They are not from Betelgeuse, they are from Andromeda, even though that may be outside your reality that they came from so far away .

I don't know if Z reticulum and Betelgueuse (in Orion) are near or in the same area, but if not, then we're talking of diferent areas and beings.

 

[tumbleweed41]

You need to go back to school and see that the "social sciences" process you're describing is really not scientific social sciences methodology.

The valid social sciences methodology is different.