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SCOTUS Decision Nightmares

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Florida couple unable to get abortion will see baby die after delivery

**** the supreme court and Florida.

This is absolutely horrendous. Pro-life state? What a gods forsaken joke.

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" In a few weeks, a Florida couple will have to bid farewell to their child shortly after the baby is delivered, a gut-wrenching reality created by the US supreme court’s elimination of nationwide abortion rights last year."

"According to Florida’s Reducing Fetal and Infant Mortality law, which was implemented last July, abortions are prohibited after 15 weeks of gestation, with a few exceptions, including one that would allow for a later abortion “if two physicians certify in writing that the fetus has a fatal fetal abnormality and has not reached viability”."

"Then, after the specialist consulted with health system administrators regarding the new law, the couple was told that they would have to wait to terminate the pregnancy until the 37th week of gestation – or near full term.

According to a text message Deborah Dorbert received from the coordinator at a maternal fetal medicine office that she visits often, the specialist made his determination after having legal administrators “look at the new law and the way it’s written”, the Washington Post reported."

“It makes me angry, for politicians to decide what’s best for my health,” Deborah Dorbert told the Washington Post. “We would do anything to have this baby.”

“We have never really understood,” Lee Dorbert said, adding: “We were told there was an exception … Obviously, [it’s] not enough of an exception in some cases.”

Edited: Because yes my title is click bait.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's amazing that, unless it's a terminal situation, there's absolutely no reason to kill an infant.

Still, it's a pretty barbaric situation and tragedy in light that abortion provided a more compassionate means to infanticide.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
It's amazing that, unless it's a terminal situation, there's absolutely no reason to kill an infant.

Still, it's a pretty barbaric situation and tragedy in light that abortion provided a more compassionate means to infanticide.

It's because typically an infant can live with care. Most abortions are well before the "survive and breath" on their own stage.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
My question is how is this even legal?

What's legal? Providing or not providing an abortion?

For the former, it's because medical care is no one's decision but a doctor and patient (outside of epidemic/pandemic circumstances). Bodily autonomy and all that. A fetus has no rights to my wife's body. Unless she allows it.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Late term abortion.

I regard it as pure murder with exception to rare and dangerous circumstances.

Interactive Map: How the Abortion Ruling Changes Everything

Late term abortions were exceedingly rare even before Dobbs.

"For nearly 50 years, proponents of criminalization have focused on later abortions, in part because Roe explicitly allows more regulations further into pregnancy. This focus has perhaps given people a false sense of when abortions happen: Forty-two percent of Americans incorrectly believe that Roe allowed abortion “up to the moment of birth.” It didn’t. Under Roe, forty-four states had gestational limits — including deep-blue states such as Massachusetts and California"
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Gee, it’s almost like a law made due to a pure emotional reaction to a complex medical situation has far reaching horrifying consequences.
Who would have thought?!

:facepalm:

I used to be embarrassed by how long it took for my state to legalise abortion. I used to look to the US as an example of good legal abortion (more or less.)
Now I see it as a cautionary tale.
(No offence to any Americans. I still likes you!)
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Yea but this time , unless I'm mistaken, the infant could be delivered and placed in foster care.
But the article linked explicitly says the infant in this case will literally die. Either in the womb or likely suffocate minutes after birth. Due to their medical condition.
The doctor apparently told the couple that some couples opt to go to term (likely for religious beliefs, which is their right) or opt for termination through surgery.

Unless we’re discussing another case?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Yea but this time , unless I'm mistaken, the infant could be delivered and placed in foster care.

No, you are mistaken. In this instance the child is going to die. Probably through suffocating or renal failure.


"Potter syndrome is a rare condition related to a fetus’s development in the uterus. The syndrome is a result of abnormal kidney growth and function, which affects how much amniotic fluid surrounds the fetus during pregnancy......

It has been deemed a “doubly lethal diagnosis” because babies with malfunctioning kidneys can’t remove deadly toxins from their bodies and can in turn experience renal failure. Additionally, the absence of amniotic fluid in a womb causes a baby to be born without the ability to breathe."
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Yea but this time , unless I'm mistaken, the infant could be delivered and placed in foster care.
As others have already said you are very much mistaken.

And I am sorry to say this, but this just points out the basic problem with the abortion debate. People who don’t understand the situation, and have little interest in learning are the ones making decisions.

Sorry if that comes off as cruel, but it is not as cruel as what the law is doing to the couple in the OP.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
As others have already said you are very much mistaken.

And I am sorry to say this, but this just points out the basic problem with the abortion debate. People who don’t understand the situation, and have little interest in learning are the ones making decisions.

Sorry if that comes off as cruel, but it is not as cruel as what the law is doing to the couple in the OP.
I understand the situation. Just thinking it could also be worth considering on behalf of the infant that's going to be essentially executed. And yes I'm aware of the Potter syndrome issue.

As I see it.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless

Thank you for reminding me why I won't vote Republican unless something amazing happens. Of course, I am not thrilled with Democrats either. Crap!
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I understand the situation. Just thinking it could also be worth considering on behalf of the infant that's going to be essentially executed. And yes I'm aware of the Potter syndrome issue.

As I see it.
Well, would you rather die after a few breaths or before?
That’s essentially the choice the infant has in this specific scenario.
So if you wish to think on the behalf of this infant, which do you think is preferable?

The reality of Potter Syndrome is even if the infant survives (as there are various underlying issues that can cause this) they will likely have chronic renal failure and respiratory issues for life.
https://www.osmosis.org/answers/potter-syndrome
That’s how medical experts see it, as far as I’m aware. :shrug:
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Florida couple unable to get abortion will see baby die after delivery

**** the supreme court and Florida.

This is absolutely horrendous. Pro-life state? What a gods forsaken joke.

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" In a few weeks, a Florida couple will have to bid farewell to their child shortly after the baby is delivered, a gut-wrenching reality created by the US supreme court’s elimination of nationwide abortion rights last year."

"According to Florida’s Reducing Fetal and Infant Mortality law, which was implemented last July, abortions are prohibited after 15 weeks of gestation, with a few exceptions, including one that would allow for a later abortion “if two physicians certify in writing that the fetus has a fatal fetal abnormality and has not reached viability”."

"Then, after the specialist consulted with health system administrators regarding the new law, the couple was told that they would have to wait to terminate the pregnancy until the 37th week of gestation – or near full term.

According to a text message Deborah Dorbert received from the coordinator at a maternal fetal medicine office that she visits often, the specialist made his determination after having legal administrators “look at the new law and the way it’s written”, the Washington Post reported."

“It makes me angry, for politicians to decide what’s best for my health,” Deborah Dorbert told the Washington Post. “We would do anything to have this baby.”

“We have never really understood,” Lee Dorbert said, adding: “We were told there was an exception … Obviously, [it’s] not enough of an exception in some cases.”

Edited: Because yes my title is click bait.
I'm not sure I understand... are you saying that the baby would live if it was aborted?
 
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