Scriptural Wisdom

[Brian2]

So...Jehovah lied by omission? No. Adam exists nowhere. His spirit, i.e., life force, simply ‘went out.’

The life force is our spirit. The idea that we have a spirit is shown in scripture after scriptures, especially in the New Testament. The spirit did not go out, like a candle, it goes back to God to care of until the resurrection. The spirit is more than a life force and this is also shown in the scriptures. It knows our mind (1Cor 2:11)and can be witnessed to by the Holy Spirit that we are children of God (Romans 8) we actually need a spirit to be children of God since God is the Father of spirits (Heb 12:9) and not the father of animated molecules.
Proverbs 20:27 “The spirit of man is the lamp of Jehovah.”
Jehovah communicates with our spirit.
The Spirit gives birth to spirit (John 3) and everyone who believes Jesus is the Christ is born of God. (1John 5:1---present tense) If we are born again (present tense) then which part of us is born again? Since the Spirit gives birth to spirit, it must be our spirit that is born again.
We certainly have a spirit and it is more than just a life force.
I hate it when the WT takes one verse builds a doctrine on it and ignores the other verses which add to that one verse and by so doing, contradict the doctrine formed by the one verse.
God does not lie by not telling the whole truth. If that is the case then God lies about all teachings, because He does not give the whole teaching in any one verse,,,,,,,,,,,,a bit here a bit there.(Isa 28:10)
It's the same with "soul". The WT ignores the fact that Jesus said our soul does not die when the body dies (Matt 10:28) or actually twists the verse to mean something else, and ignores the fact that the dead in Christ are brought back by Jesus to be resurrected and ignores such passages as Rev 6:9-11 where there are "souls" under the altar in heaven asking questions.

“By God”? Saul acted on his own. Jehovah had nothing to do with it.

What I wrote could have been worded better for sure. What I meant is that it is plain that God brought Samuel back. That does not take away the guilt of Saul for going to a witch/medium however.
I have given you reasons for it being God. The prophecy was accurate, the witch was surprised, Samuel is called Samuel all the way through the passage. All you have is a lame attempts by the WT to throw a blanket on these facts and to claim that God would not do something that God does in other parts of scripture,,,,,,,,,use Satan and demons for His purposes.

Matthew 19:28 Greek Text Analysis

“Regeneration.”

Thanks for that. That word is used twice in the New Testament.
From one of the links on the site you gave:
""3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.

3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).""

What is regenerated in WT doctrine? Our spirit is born again when we receive the Holy Spirit and at the resurrection our bodies are given life (Romans 8:11,23 )and resurrected and have been transformed and put on incorruption and immortality and all of creation is regenerated.
We become and ARE (present tense) a new creation/creature when we are in Christ but that is because we are regenerated, not recreated.

You’re going to believe whatever you want. Pursue your Platonic ideas.

But “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom.” (1 Corinthians 15:50.) There is no physical flesh in heaven. Those who are baptized into Jesus’ death, are resurrected as spirit creatures. As Jesus was. 1 Peter 3:18

Point to a place where I have used Greek Philosophy. I use and believe the Bible any you believe the Governing Body of the JWs.
Peter does not say that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit and I do not believe Jesus went and preached to angels. Jesus went to preach to the spirits of people who were in prison,,,,,,,,,,,,,sheol/hades. This is what He did when He died physically. When He we resurrected it was as a human (scriptures already given),,,,,,,,,,the human Jesus stood up again. THAT is what resurrection actually means and that is what happened.
"Flesh and blood" is synonymous with corruption in the Bible. (esp blood- which of course we cannot detect in Jesus resurrection body even with wounds that someone could but their hand in and He said He was "flesh and bone" Luke 24) The flesh that He had was not corruptible and is immortal and so can go to heaven. Jesus went to heaven with that body,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(Acts 1:11, Dan 7:13,14---He was the one like a son of man, He was not a spirit) As Acts 1 says, when He returns He will return in the same way that the disciples saw Him go to heaven.

I’m done with this...
You take care, cousin.

Take care.

 

[alypius]

I also thought, "As for men, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return. Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?" So I saw that there is nothing better for a man than to enjoy his work, because that is his lot. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

If the author asserts that 'everything is meaningless', then isn't the assertion itself another absurdity (thus exposing the emptiness of nihilism)?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well I know this for sure that there is no contradictions in the bible.

Please explain how Matthew 10:35 and 37, or Luke 14:26, do not contradict the 5th Commandment (Honour thy father and thy mother).

Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.