Not my problem, I’m a liberal, not a Baha’i so I have no desire to live in a Baha’i theocracy.
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Secular Power is a blessing to humanity, not some sort of divine chastisement
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I may as well ask you the same question, name the theocracy that has ever treated people better than modern democracy?
I think you will have to look at history through rose coloured glasses to find a theocracy that was better than modern democracy.
Theocracy simply can’t keep up with new knowledge and create new laws in retrospect of new knowledge.
Rather it is stuck with old laws imposed by humans but alleged to be of God and thus unchangeable due to the nature of such an allegation.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Bro. I never promoted a theocracy. I am asking your position in specific details rather than general statements.
this question is no answer.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I thought so, thanks!
Nuke two cities and justify it to your people happened by a secular society. So many sanctions on Iran, not convinced secularism enjoins compassion, to be honest. They always pick on someone, Native Americans were seen as less human, slaves were taken and bred by a secular society founded on human rights. It's self-deception to take away God's voice in a democracy and that he has no role in guiding humans.
I haven't seen any good from secularism. Freedom of speech against oppression has taken a form of everyone is scared to speak because of being accused of being anti-Semitic. Don't accept the oppressive way of the US and Israel, and speak out, and you will be discriminated.
So freedom of speech is allowed but limited to what suits their Agenda.
I don't believe secularism is accurate. The hidden societies that rule the US are mostly Jinn Worshippers, and there is plenty of evidence for this, but for a people who don't know how reflect and see beyond their education systems telling them how to think and what to believe, there is no hope of exposing them.
God exposes reality of the fight between good and evil, don't let slogans blind you to it.
The fact is a certain flavor of spirituality has taken the west away from God's rope, is because, of constantly planning of Jinn Worshippers.
This is the reality and mental clarity that Anselm and Descartes for example provided, is strawman played in education so that they make people disbelieve in their Lord, and they use Atheists as a tool, while not even believing in the things taught by them from history or Archaeology or biology or Theology.
They want to eventually bring their own theocracy but on their own terms.
I haven't seen any good from secularism. Freedom of speech against oppression has taken a form of everyone is scared to speak because of being accused of being anti-Semitic. Don't accept the oppressive way of the US and Israel, and speak out, and you will be discriminated.
So freedom of speech is allowed but limited to what suits their Agenda.
I don't believe secularism is accurate. The hidden societies that rule the US are mostly Jinn Worshippers, and there is plenty of evidence for this, but for a people who don't know how reflect and see beyond their education systems telling them how to think and what to believe, there is no hope of exposing them.
God exposes reality of the fight between good and evil, don't let slogans blind you to it.
The fact is a certain flavor of spirituality has taken the west away from God's rope, is because, of constantly planning of Jinn Worshippers.
This is the reality and mental clarity that Anselm and Descartes for example provided, is strawman played in education so that they make people disbelieve in their Lord, and they use Atheists as a tool, while not even believing in the things taught by them from history or Archaeology or biology or Theology.
They want to eventually bring their own theocracy but on their own terms.
Little kids making you chocolate. Tricking nations to funnel all resource to making bananas or coffee with no other industry on false theories that you knew would make them slaves. Tricking nations into a debt system they cannot escape.
There is no doubt, you are ruled by Satan and his forces, and are blind by self-deception. You can cling to secular slogans, they meaning nothing, when reality is you do so much evil to the world.
There is no doubt, you are ruled by Satan and his forces, and are blind by self-deception. You can cling to secular slogans, they meaning nothing, when reality is you do so much evil to the world.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Well that's good. Being too conservative is, what I think, a usual problem for religions that make the rules for a society... and their own people, including their leaders, have trouble keeping them.
Secularism has failed the world and the solution is God's rope, and returning to his guidance, and finding the king appointed by him so as to return Government to the light of God's judgment and the best one in judgment among his servants who God knows best how to prove.
We are to strive for guidance of God. Humans enforcing their unjust ways by deception and the oligarchies are not the solution.
We are to strive for guidance of God. Humans enforcing their unjust ways by deception and the oligarchies are not the solution.
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
You would think this, but it's not actually the case.
Many of my friends are secular. What I've noticed is that the average atheist is trying to escape the Law by denying God. Unfortunately, the curse of the Law does not go away because you say that a "big man in the sky" is not real.
When you don't have a God to worship and give you religious law, instead of becoming free from the Law, you instead become enslaved to a secular Law. "Am I earning enough? Do I have a successful career?" "Have I done charity donations?" "Am I being racist/sexist?" And so on, until you finally are in the same exact state as the sinners that the Pharisees condemned. Christianity says the solution to the Law is not to deny to Law, but to understand and accept Grace.
For a secular version of Grace, I recommend reading two books instead of the Bible. The Gifts of Imperfection, and When Panic Attacks. One is a self-help book, the other is a cognitive therapy book, but both greatly help for anyone who has issues with coping with unrealistic expectations.
All theocracies are a type of oligarchy, if oligarchy isn’t the solution clearly then types of oligarchy such as theocracy are not either.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You are a 'Bahai inspired liberal'. But Bahaism is 'old wine in new bottle', the same 7th Century 'One Allah' talk with the addition of Bahaollah being a 'mirror image' of that Allah; and curses for those who do not believe in his 'One Allah' and 'his divine mission'. In what way Bahaism has inspired you?
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It has inspired me to believe in certain general principles such as the one-ness of humanity, and the equality of men and women, all without the religious baggage of not allowing women on the top institutions etc, in other words I have taken as much of the hypocrisy out of the general principles as I could manage.
That could be possible even without secularism. Secularism doesn’t bring anything good that could not be without it. Instead it takes people away from God who tells that people should love even their enemies.
As a liberal i’m not bound by any of that. I believe in Allah, but not in insisting on Allah.
I don’t believe in the concept of individuals who are manifestations of Allah, rather I believe everyone manifests the attributes of Allah in accordance with their capacity to do so, even you and I.
I don’t believe in the need to accept anyone’s ministry, only in the need to practice virtues according to one’s own best knowledge of them.
I’m not entirely free of religious baggage, but i’m doing the best that I can under the circumstances.
And I might add that as a liberal i’m free to accept the diversity of humanity, so I can respect the path of the atheist without feeling any compulsion to join him/her as I have my own path.
Maximus
the Confessor
My government has done and continues to do many horrible things in the world. There is no denying that. But I blame bad leaders more than anything else. Your average Joe on the street is much more likely than not to have a good heart and acknowledges their Creator. At least that has been my experience. We are all brothers and sisters.
It is possible to have compassionate oligarchs, it is just not very probable.
Hence the need to have power in the hands of the people. Especially when you consider that the heir to a compassionate oligarch may be a non-compassionate one it just makes sense to have enough power in the hands of the people to vote him out.
Secularism does not take people away from God, it gives them the freedom to follow God or not, which is the purpose of free will anyway. Theocracy is merely a human attempt to override the free-will god gave us.
Secularism does not prevent people loving their neighbors either, I see that as an untruth. Moreover since you cannot force someone to love someone else I fail to see how theocracy accomplishes that anyway.