Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Here are a fact from previous President's and others on and about Border wall security.
Click on the link below
Border Facts
Click on the link below
Border Facts
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Secure the border
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exchemist
Veteran Member
Now why is it that when I see a post like this, with word "facts", accompanied by an example of Greengrocer's Apostrophe, I automatically assume what will follow with be a load of tendentious propaganda?
Link doesn't work by the way.
Here are my sources of information:
9 things you should know before Trump starts spewing lies in Tuesday address to the nation
►Illegal border crossings are down. Significantly.
►The counties along the southern border are among the safest in the United States.
►Most undocumented immigrants don’t “sneak” across the border.
►The White House is lying about terrorists crossing the southern border.
►Migrant caravans aren’t “sneaking” across the border, either.
►Drugs entering the USA across the southern border are most often hidden in legal shipments.
►Conservative political figures and think tanks think Trump’s wall is pointless.
►There are already 654 miles of border fencing.
The answer to border security is technology, not wall
9 things you should know before Trump starts spewing lies in Tuesday address to the nation
►Illegal border crossings are down. Significantly.
►The counties along the southern border are among the safest in the United States.
►Most undocumented immigrants don’t “sneak” across the border.
►The White House is lying about terrorists crossing the southern border.
►Migrant caravans aren’t “sneaking” across the border, either.
►Drugs entering the USA across the southern border are most often hidden in legal shipments.
►Conservative political figures and think tanks think Trump’s wall is pointless.
►There are already 654 miles of border fencing.
The answer to border security is technology, not wall
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Now why is it that when I see a post like this, with word "facts", accompanied by an example of Greengrocer's Apostrophe, I automatically assume what will follow with be a load of tendentious propaganda?
Link doesn't work by the way.
Why because its from previous presidents and others on border wall security.
So by these refutes everything liberal Democrats say about border wall security.
By their own liberal Democrats Presidents and others.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
So what your actually saying is that President bill clinton and President Obama and other liberal Democrats all spewed lies about border wall security
Click on the link below and see what all these liberal Democrats had to say about border wall security
Border Facts
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
In case you didn't know, Democrats Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer turned down DACA when offered to meet with Trump about DACA, this is why alot of those DACA voted for Trump.
exchemist
Veteran Member
And we have the inverse of a Greengrocer's Apostrophe now, and some incomprehensibly bad grammar. So I know for sure I am dealing with a real Trump voter.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Your facts lack context.
First, most illegal immigrants arrive on commercial flights and overstay their visas. So a wall is useless in the majority of cases. The second largest group of illegals crosses at legal border checkpoints. Those crossing the desert on foot represent the smallest fraction.
Why spend 5 billion on trying to reduce the illegal immigration of the smallest group? Why not spend it if you must on reducing the major inflows from other areas?
The fact that a wall stopped crossings at a specific point means that the location and/or method of illegally crossing probably just changed, not that fewer crossings occured as a whole because of a wall. However, the total number of crossings has dropped since it’s peak around 2002 or so (can’t remember specific year). So one would expect a drop at a given point, generally. The problem is demonstrating that the wall was the specific and entire cause of the drop.
Your fact #4 is a flat out lie. The package included more than $46 billion for border security. The vast majority of that money ($30 billion) was for hiring more U.S. Border Patrol agents along the southern border. Around $8 billion would have gone toward building or repairing 700 miles of fencing (including some double-layer fencing) along the U.S.-Mexico border.
It should be noted that the Republican controlled house did not take up the bill after that...........
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Sooo...let's tear down that existing barrier.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Jesus wanted us to build "bridges", not "walls". Jesus wanted more inclusion, not exclusion. Jesus said "Bring the children unto me", not "Bring the children and put them in cages". Jesus taught love, not that we should spew hatred and division. Jesus told the truth, not perpetual lies. Jesus said to help the poor and dispossessed, not to just let them suffer even more. Jesus taught against adultery, not to brag about groping women. Jesus taught about even take risks in helping others, not to cower out of fear of what could happen. Jesus taught about asking forgiveness for our sins, not to double-down on them. Jesus taught against performing the Seven Deadly Sins, not to actually do them.
To accept Trump is not to accept Jesus, and anyone who thinks they can do both is living in delusion..
To accept Trump is not to accept Jesus, and anyone who thinks they can do both is living in delusion..
Earthling
David Henson
Another distraction. Look outside to see life going on all around you.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Now why is it that when I see a post like this, with word "facts", accompanied by an example of Greengrocer's Apostrophe, I automatically assume what will follow with be a load of tendentious propaganda?
I was unfamiliar with that phrase. Thanks. I learned something new.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Based on your posts here and elsewhere on the forum, it would appear that English is not your native language.
Is part of your animus based, perhaps, on you and/or family gaining entry to the US via a more traditional mode?
By the way, even though your English skills are decidedly substandard, they are undoubtably better than mine in whatever is your native tongue. I salute your effort to learn the language. I want to encourage you to continue your efforts to master the language.
The reality of the/a border wall is that it's political. Trump supporters want Trump to deliver a wall. whether it is a effective deterrent is not important. If Trumps wants any hope of reelection, he needs a token win all the wall issue.
Democrats on the other hand can't afford Trump to have a win on this. Again whether the wall is effective or not is unimportant.
Unfortunately, this is not a real solution to the immigration crisis. Problem is I don't see Democrats as having a solution for this either. It's like no one really wants to solve the problem. I suspect not even Trump. The illegal/undocumented immigrants immigrants themselves are just pawns in this political struggle between the two parties. The real objective is political power, which party has it and which party wants it.
I don't except any real solutions to come out of Washington regardless of which party is in power at the moment. Just more political shenanigans at the price of any real solutions.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
You got that right and Loving it. Ho yeah Trump for President for ever. Liberal Democrats are done
exchemist
Veteran Member
Sure. I watch as an interested spectator, hoping to see the current president behind bars one day.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Sure. I watch as an interested spectator, hoping to see the current president behind bars one day.
That will never happen, first got to have something which Democrats have nothing, if they did Mueller would haved produce it and not taken 3 years. So what's the hold up, all because Mueller knows he has nothing.
Even if Mueller did come up with something, it would be fabrication all false. Even the best of the best doesn't take 3 years to produce evidence. So No evidence.
That now Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are backing off no impeachment.
That's all because even they know there's nothing, No Evidence for a legal impeachment.
Both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer knows they need us the American Patriots to win back the President White House.
Which they will never get from us. After President Trump, we have Donald Trump Jr and our first Lady President Ivanka Trump.
Have a good day
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exchemist
Veteran Member
Golly that rattled your cage - 3 whole paras.
Once he's out of office I think it is even money he'll get banged up. Real estate is a crooked business and that's where he's spent his life as a seedy 2nd rate businessman. If it's not Russia it can be embezzlement, some sort of illegal exploitation of his office as president, or just tax evasion. I shall be ordering in the popcorn when the show starts.