Seeing dead loved ones? Fact or Fiction

[may]

I can't say what happens in every individual case, but I'm just suggesting that people don't try to call up spirits because it might not always be what you expect.

very true indeed , i have heard somepeople say that they only call up good spirits not the bad ones , but the fact is they are all bad because the faithful angels would not be doing that sort of thing any way . it is only the bad unfaithful angels that are rebelling against the true God that would be decieving people . Faithful angels are working inline with Gods purpose not against it . and the bible tells his people to not have dealings with spirit mediums. so it is not Gods will at all.

 

[may]

Are you talking about at a seance or something?

that is one of the ways that people are decieved by the great deciever.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I have seen a ghost once. I was in a classroom working on PCs in there when I was confronted by a very disturbed and confused kid. I described him to one of the teachers working with us (this was early Friday evening). On Monday morning we learned that one of the students in that classroom was killed about that time in a boating accident in the Keys. Yes, he fit the description. I was stunned.

 

[James Humphreys]

people who think they are seeing dead loved one , are actually being mislead by demons , that is not to say that sometimes people are just mislead by misleading and untruthful spirit mediums .

What is your view about Peter, James and John seeing Jesus talk with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I can't say what happens in every individual case, but I'm just suggesting that people don't try to call up spirits because it might not always be what you expect.

Actually, many Occultist will even warn you about this. There is also a list of things that are suggested you do to ensure it is the right person.

i have heard somepeople say that they only call up good spirits not the bad ones , but the fact is they are all bad because the faithful angels would not be doing that sort of thing any way . it is only the bad unfaithful angels that are rebelling against the true God that would be decieving people .

Not only is this untrue, as the experiences I mentioned were the actual person, thus not an evil immitation. Also look towards your own Bible to see how this is not always the case. I forget the names, but the King of Israel at the time went to witch to summon the spirit of the prophet. The actual prophet came and foretold the king of his death.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

May - I am right in thinking satan is evil? So why would he go to the trouble of making us think we were seeing loved ones which would bring us comfort - why not send a few monster visions to scare us ?

 

[yuvgotmel]

1) Have you ever seen a relative/friend/person you know who has passed on?

Yes, in a dream, I have seen my grandmother at least once.

2) Do you believe that it is possible to see relatives/friends/people you know after they have passed on?

The short answer is Yes. The longer explanation of "how" would require an understanding of the quantum world and the fabric of spacetime. It gets into Einstein's meaning of "Spooky actions at a distance" and quantum entanglement, as well as impressions on the fabric of spacetime, which can be recalled later.

 

[BFD_Zayl]

well, my entire path is pretty much based on this...so, obviously, my answer to both questions is yes, and take it from me, someone who does this for a living knows more about it then someone who reads something about it out of a book.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

May - I am right in thinking satan is evil? So why would he go to the trouble of making us think we were seeing loved ones which would bring us comfort - why not send a few monster visions to scare us ?

I have often wondered about this. It wouldn't accomplish much.

 

[may]

Actually, many Occultist will even warn you about this. There is also a list of things that are suggested you do to ensure it is the right person.


Not only is this untrue, as the experiences I mentioned were the actual person, thus not an evil immitation. Also look towards your own Bible to see how this is not always the case. I forget the names, but the King of Israel at the time went to witch to summon the spirit of the prophet. The actual prophet came and foretold the king of his death.

its no big deal for satan to decieve people , it may look like the actual person but really it is satan with his great big lies again. and people get to believing those lies , yes he really is the great deciever. that is why the bible warns us to not go to the spirit mediums, just because it appears to be true does not make it true. really it is satan .

 

[may]

May - I am right in thinking satan is evil? So why would he go to the trouble of making us think we were seeing loved ones which would bring us comfort - why not send a few monster visions to scare us ?

so why did he go to the trouble of telling eve that she would not die if she eat the fruit , he made it appear to be a good thing to eat the fruit ,but really he was getting them to go against the true God and his commands, things are not always what they appear to be . that is how satan works a lot of the time, he does not always do things to scare us off he is more clever than that at times, and this getting us to believe that our dead loved ones are still alive somewhere is all part of the first lie told to eve ,that lie is that we will not die and this is just one of many things that satan uses to keep the lie going. and yes people have got to believing the lie . when we are dead we are dead, back to the dust we go . but the promise from the bible is that at a future time God will resurrect us ,back to a paradise earth. but until that time we go to dust , so we are not alive somewhere it is the tricks of satan .

 

[may]

I have often wondered about this. It wouldn't accomplish much.

it accomplishes a lot, it keeps the lie that we do not die going .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

its no big deal for satan to decieve people , it may look like the actual person but really it is satan with his great big lies again. and people get to believing those lies , yes he really is the great deciever. that is why the bible warns us to not go to the spirit mediums, just because it appears to be true does not make it true. really it is satan .

What about when Saul went to the Witch of Endor? Also, it was not Satan, but it was my actual relatives.

 

[may]

What about when Saul went to the Witch of Endor? Also, it was not Satan, but it was my actual relatives.

things are not always what we think,

 

[Shadow Wolf]

things are not always what we think,

Once again;
If the summoned spirites are never the actual one, as you claim, then explain what happened when Saul went to the Witch of Endor.

 

[Sonic247]

Actually, many Occultist will even warn you about this. There is also a list of things that are suggested you do to ensure it is the right person.


Not only is this untrue, as the experiences I mentioned were the actual person, thus not an evil immitation. Also look towards your own Bible to see how this is not always the case. I forget the names, but the King of Israel at the time went to witch to summon the spirit of the prophet. The actual prophet came and foretold the king of his death.

I was actually thinking of that before but didn't write it, it was Saul who went to the witch of Endor to talk to Samuel. But the prophets answer was "why are you asking me if God won't answer you anymore." (paraphrase) Even though he got to talk to Samuel there is no help apart from God and he was still worse off afterwards.

(oh you already said who it was, I only saw up to the post I quoted)

 

[may]

Once again;
If the summoned spirites are never the actual one, as you claim, then explain what happened when Saul went to the Witch of Endor.

Sadly, many turn to Satan, not to Jehovah. No, they do not invoke Satan by name. Rather, like King Saul of old, they engage in spiritism, looking for answers to their problems by trying to communicate with the dead.—1 Samuel 28:1-20. doing things out of line with the true God is not the way to go . just because the bible tells us that saul went to the spirit medium does not make it right in the eyes of the true God. yes satan is behind it all ,he is the great deciever.

 

[BFD_Zayl]

sooooo... you're pretty much stating that my entire path is evil and that i'm being deceived.... uh-huh...

 

[Truth_Faith13]

so why did he go to the trouble of telling eve that she would not die if she eat the fruit , he made it appear to be a good thing to eat the fruit ,but really he was getting them to go against the true God and his commands, things are not always what they appear to be . that is how satan works a lot of the time, he does not always do things to scare us off he is more clever than that at times, and this getting us to believe that our dead loved ones are still alive somewhere is all part of the first lie told to eve ,that lie is that we will not die and this is just one of many things that satan uses to keep the lie going. and yes people have got to believing the lie . when we are dead we are dead, back to the dust we go . but the promise from the bible is that at a future time God will resurrect us ,back to a paradise earth. but until that time we go to dust , so we are not alive somewhere it is the tricks of satan .

I havent checked this thread for ages..... The difference being in that example - God told Eve not to eat the fruit and so Satan coming along and saying eat it and nothing will happen is obviously a lie! He is doing it to get them to disobey God - yes. But it doesnt answer the point why would he pretend to be a loved one? That is not disobeying God as I dont think God has said anywhere that they are evil etc?

 

[Sonic247]

sooooo... you're pretty much stating that my entire path is evil and that i'm being deceived.... uh-huh...

I don't have any doubt that you can in fact summon spirits, but I doubt that you ever gained any kind of powers to be able to not worry about what happened when you died as you said in another thread. Really to God the spirits are not any more powerful than we are, what the diffrence between 1 and infinity compared with 100 and infinity. But God will judge us and them for the things that we have done.