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Seeing things in their past? You are full of beans!

Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Thermos aquaticus said:
So if we can't see pink unicorns that means the pink unicorns are invisible?
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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Thermos aquaticus said:
You have a habit of ignoring the answers or proclaiming the answers to be impossible for no apparent reason.
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Come on get real. I have given reasons. Here I will try again.

Let's say two photons A & B are in a race, and both are emitted from the same source at the exact same instant.
They both can move at the exact same velocity = c
Photon A has to go a distance of 1ly away, while photon B has to go a distance of 30 million light years away.
You guys are expecting me to believe it's a tie in the race.
 
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james blunt

Well-Known Member
TrueBeliever37 said:
Come on get real. I have given reasons. Here I will try again.

Let's say two photons A & B are in a race, and both are emitted from the same source at the exact same instant.
They both can move at the exact same velocity = c
Photon A has to go a distance of 1ly away, while photon B has to go a distance of 30 million light years away.
You guys are expecting me to believe it's a tie in the race.
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They have not got a clue of reality.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
TrueBeliever37 said:
Come on get real. I have given reasons. Here I will try again.

Let's say two photons A & B are in a race, and both are emitted from the same source at the exact same instant.
They both can move at the exact same velocity = c
Photon A has to go a distance of 1ly away, while photon B has to go a distance of 30 million light years away.
You guys are expecting me to believe it's a tie in the race.

And you are replying to a comment that wasn't directed at you.
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No, we are NOT saying it would be a tie. Very specifically NOT AT ALL what we are saying.

First, notice that those distances *are in your reference frame*. The times it takes are also times *in your reference frame*. Since you are NOT moving at the speed of light (you can't!), the times you measure will not be the same.
 
Thermos aquaticus

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
TrueBeliever37 said:
Let's say two photons A & B are in a race, and both are emitted from the same source at the exact same instant.
They both can move at the exact same velocity = c
Photon A has to go a distance of 1ly away, while photon B has to go a distance of 30 million light years away.
You guys are expecting me to believe it's a tie in the race.
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Please define your frame of reference.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
Thermos aquaticus said:
So if we can't see pink unicorns that means the pink unicorns are invisible?
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Reminds me of a skit of an old-time comedian, Jerry Colonna.

He was a trolley conductor (if memory serves).
On day a zebra got on the trolley. He asked the zebra: Are you a white animal with black stripes or are you a black animal with white stripes?

The zebra replied: Neither, I am an invisible animal with black and white stripes so you can see me.
 
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james blunt

Well-Known Member
Thermos aquaticus said:
So says the person who can't multiply time by a speed and realize that the answer is a distance.
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No, you are still wrong in your thinking. let us remove time and motion from the universe leaving independent space, the distances need no motion or time to be a distance, we could measure the distance with a stick .
 
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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Polymath257 said:
No, we are NOT saying it would be a tie. Very specifically NOT AT ALL what we are saying.

First, notice that those distances *are in your reference frame*. The times it takes are also times *in your reference frame*. Since you are NOT moving at the speed of light (you can't!), the times you measure will not be the same.
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Then please explain again how a photon can experience no time or distance.

In the limiting reference frame there is never a distance. It is always 0. You have to use some kind of description to represent when something is farther away than something else. How do you propose that I indicate when the light has farther to travel.

How is it possible that there is no distance, when we know there are physically different amounts of separation (distance) between stars and the destinations of the light they emit?
 
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TrueBeliever37

Well-Known Member
Polymath257 said:
No, we are NOT saying it would be a tie. Very specifically NOT AT ALL what we are saying.

First, notice that those distances *are in your reference frame*. The times it takes are also times *in your reference frame*. Since you are NOT moving at the speed of light (you can't!), the times you measure will not be the same.
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Polymath,
I didn't really mention anything about our time. Take our distance measurements out of it. Let photon A be going any physical distance you want to choose. Then let photon B have to travel 10,000 times the physical distance photon A has to travel. Do they reach their destinations at the same instant?

If they do then how is that not a tie?

If they don't then how was time not involved?
 
Thermos aquaticus

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
TrueBeliever37 said:
Then please explain again how a photon can experience no time or distance.
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Are you a photon? If not, then what a photon experiences does not equate to what you experience.

Also, we have all explained the math in multiple posts. Here it is again:

time_dilation_formula_1.png


time_dilation_formula_2.png


Δt = the observer time, or two-position time (s)

Δt0 = the proper time, or one-position time (s)

v = velocity (m/s)

c = speed of light (3.0 x 10^8 m/s)

Plug in the speed of light for v and solve the equation. You will find that you get a divide by zero, which is the limit that Polymath keeps talking about. For v approaching the speed of light the time keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Just do the math. The same math applies to distance as well.

If this is simply about what you will or will not believe, then that is on you. Reality is not forced to conform to what you will or will not believe. Either you believe in reality or you don't.
 
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james blunt

Well-Known Member
Thermos aquaticus said:
Are you a photon? If not, then what a photon experiences does not equate to what you experience.

Also, we have all explained the math in multiple posts. Here it is again:

time_dilation_formula_1.png


time_dilation_formula_2.png


Δt = the observer time, or two-position time (s)

Δt0 = the proper time, or one-position time (s)

v = velocity (m/s)

c = speed of light (3.0 x 10^8 m/s)

Plug in the speed of light for v and solve the equation. You will find that you get a divide by zero, which is the limit that Polymath keeps talking about. For v approaching the speed of light the time keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Just do the math. The same math applies to distance as well.

If this is simply about what you will or will not believe, then that is on you. Reality is not forced to conform to what you will or will not believe. Either you believe in reality or you don't.
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Δt = Δ0 = + 0.000000000000∞
 
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