Self as a Force vs a Form of Matter

[Fool]

My apologies, but that is even harder to grasp. You are stating that an emergent property of matter/energy is on the same level as that which it emerged from. That's making my logic alarm go off.

consciousness isn't an emergent property of matter = energy.

consciousness is matter and energy.




einstein said matter and energy are the same thing simply manifesting differently

"It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing -

that manifestation is a result of consciousness, or if it makes you feel more comfortable, intelligence.

 

[Willamena]

consciousness isn't an emergent property of matter = energy.

consciousness is matter and energy.




einstein said matter and energy are the same thing simply manifesting differently

"It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing -

that manifestation is a result of consciousness, or if it makes you feel more comfortable, intelligence.

How does the second thing you said support the first?

I don't see a connection.

 

[Looncall]

Such a farrago of word salad from the religious here!

Energy is not a substance but merely a shorthand for describing states of particles.

Why do none of you refer to the notion of process?

As far as I can see, consciousness is just a process happening in certain configurations of matter (brains). This mystical stuff is just a scam designed to ensnare the gullible. Just another of the idiot reifications that make up so much of religion.

 

[Sir Doom]

When I say emergent property, I mean something that is produced by the combination of 'other somethings' that couldn't really be predicted by the 'other some things ' previous properties.

 

[Fool]

Such a farrago of word salad from the religious here!

Energy is not a substance but merely a shorthand for describing states of particles.

Why do none of you refer to the notion of process?

As far as I can see, consciousness is just a process happening in certain configurations of matter (brains). This mystical stuff is just a scam designed to ensnare the gullible. Just another of the idiot reifications that make up so much of religion.

https://phys.org/news/2011-03-quantum-no-hiding-theorem-experimentally.html


https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-spin-on-the-quantum-brain-20161102/