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Self-immolation as a protest against what is going on in Gaza

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Was there someone that claimed you spoke Heresy friend .. wasn't me in any case. The question to you was about clarification of your position on Evil Personified .. "are you claiming that Evil is a person ? --- or that Evil is in Every Person"

not sure what you need to google to answer this question that appears to have gone deer in headlights .. but I am sure "Duck Duck Go" is a fine option if needed.

K :) think I may have preferred the one word responses previously given .... "What is there to explain" - you say ? Your position friend.. clarification and dedication to the nation .. do the two options apply or is there a third you would like to tell us about ?

We await your explanation in earnest .. Do not delay with response !

I was simply suggesting that you do your own homework. Look it up however you want. Or not - I do not care either way.

The Orthodox and Roman Catholic position on this question is quite clear.

Good luck
 

InChrist

Free4ever
This man engaged in the most inward and selfless act of protest possible and the best you can do is make him out to be Satanic?
:facepalm:
I didn’t make him out to be satanic. I said he was overcome by satan. The antichrist spirit is arising and becoming more blatant on a global scale…in my perspective. I don’t consider the act of lighting oneself on fire to be selfless; it accomplishes nothing productive. Rather, it’s sadly se-destructive.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
That's a rough way to go.

I think he was overcome with woe because
his own government...his employer...aids
Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
Fictional beings don't cause this.
I don’t consider the devil to be fictional, rather a very powerful, cunning enemy. One is very vulnerable when they are not aware of their enemy. Likely, there were other factors which played into the young man’s decision to destroy himself, which I believe satan used to push him over the edge.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don’t consider the devil to be fictional, rather a very powerful, cunning enemy. One is very vulnerable when they are not aware of their enemy. Likely, there were other factors which played into the young man’s decision to destroy himself, which I believe satan used to push him over the edge.
I've never seen the guy.
But I can see Israel's politicians, Biden, & Congress.
When they perpetrate evil, I give them responsibility
for their own actions....not an imagined invisible foe.
Same goes for the burning man. It was his choice.
But if a supernatural sentience is to be blamed, that
would be the Christian & Jewish God. He guides his
followers to wreak hideous violence. And if Satan
existed, he'd be all "WTF!? His Chosen are doing this."
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Most likely having a mental health issue and chose to commit suicide whilst demonstrating his anger over a current issue.
It's a really dumb thing to do to just off yourself like that over an issue one has no control over.

I suspect your right he had mental issues and I think it goes notably beyond the events themselves and he saw it as an opportunity to end things.
 

Ponder This

Well-Known Member

US airman dies after setting himself on fire outside Israeli Embassy in Washington​




Yikes.

"CNN —
An active-duty member of the US Air Force who set himself on fire outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, on Sunday, has died, authorities said.

Aaron Bushnell, 25, of San Antonio, Texas, said in a video of the incident obtained by CNN that he would “no longer be complicit in genocide” and that his suffering was minimal compared to that of Palestinians as the humanitarian crisis persists in Gaza.

He then sets the recording device on the ground before pouring an unknown liquid over himself and igniting it while yelling “Free Palestine” repeatedly. He eventually collapses as police officers rush to douse the flames with fire extinguishers."
When acts such as this do not command my utter contempt for the people peforming them, I can at best muster pity for such a pitiful inexcusable act of self-destruction.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's a really dumb thing to do to just off yourself like that over an issue one has no control over.

I suspect your right he had mental issues and I think it goes notably beyond the events themselves and he saw it as an opportunity to end things.
An "opportunity"?
What an odd thing to say.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not really.
I don't see troubled people as wanting to
commit suicide, & merely waiting for the
optimum time to do it.
Rather than Israel's genocide being an
"opportunity" to fulfill a compulsion, it's
traumatic event that adversely affected
a troubled person.
 
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libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
I didn’t make him out to be satanic. I said he was overcome by satan. The antichrist spirit is arising and becoming more blatant on a global scale…in my perspective. I don’t consider the act of lighting oneself on fire to be selfless; it accomplishes nothing productive. Rather, it’s sadly se-destructive.
I think characterizing this man's sacrifice as him being overcome by Satan is in incredibly poor taste.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Oh, I don't think so. It's fairly common knowledge that suicidal people have to timetable their suicide to coincide with a political cause.

That's, like, totally the law, or something.
Some plan for awhile hoping to go out in a blaze of glory and pick the time and choosing of their suicide.

911
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I just don't understand. People often celebrate the ability and success at blasting dozens or even thousands of lives at a time with anything from armed drones to bomb carriers to the old venerable Fat Boy, yet they are shocked that among so many thousands of Armed Forces people along the decades eventually one turns up that is actually moved by what they are doing.

Is there a logic to that? I am not seeing it.
Logic? No, I don't think there's much "logic," either, but in such matters, humans aren't generally using logic.

For one thing, it's well know that we can react emotionally to the death of one or a few people, because we can learn a bit about them and find a way to connect. We can't connect easily to dozens (and certainly not thousands) and these become just numbers -- and numbers don't elicit that much emotion.

I agree with you, here was a young man who, for whatever reason, was moved -- but one can't forget he was willingly part of the military, and death is one very real potential outcome, for oneself or others, of that kind of career. Thus, we are (or at least I am) left with supposing that he had an emotional connection to one side or the other of the current situation in Israel/Palestine, but I've no confirmation of that.

More likely, though, our shock is the result of the manner of his death: a suicide, and self-immolation. Suicide always seems to speak to great pain, with which we can empathize, and burning to death seems horrifying beyond imagining. Or at least it does to me.
 
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