Self understanding

[zenzero]

Friend willamena,
No need to thank me rather thank yourself as youhad a question and it got solbed by your own intellegence and understanding.
Similarly I have no live teacher around me nor do I seek one simply because I have come out of existence and have to go back there. And existence shows me the way when ever I need anything.
Remeber the Bob Dylan song which is something like this " The answere my friend, is blowing in the wind" All answeres are available HERE-NOW; just need the right person to ask. Nothing exists in a vaccum; something will come up from somewhere to fill that space; be sure of it.
Best wishes.
Love & rgds

 

[DallasApple]

It doesnt matter if its true or not..If your tooth is absessed and you are in agonizign pain you go to the dentist..If his remedy cures the infection then who cares if there is another "plane" or a different "sphere" where that wasnt "reality" ...Maybe you are having a nightmare..I dont know..

But thank god I have eyes and ears and a relatively normal brain that in my "nightmare" or my "reality I take steps to remedy pain in myself or others...

You can rip and tear and disect it all you want..But real or not. ....It needs to be adressed..

Hey ...but what if there is no it?...Sorry ...I dont understand why ya'll would want to go around and around with this...

I think we ALL percieve pain...weather its real or not..I think we all percieve joy and pleasure..

When someones mother dies I dont say..."Wow how sad ...but how do you know thats really happening? Can Ya prove it"? If so how?..OHHH I see...a dead body in a coffin...NOW can you "prove" to me what you are seeing and I am seeing is actually real?

I mean give me a break..Ya'll need to go swimming in the ocean or something...Then I can question you weather you "actually" swam in the ocean or if you even exist at all!

Hey "think" a tornado hit my house last week...and it tore down our fence...I THINK it cost us $300 to repair...But I wouldnt know..That could be something not real..I cant "prove it"...Even if YOU witnessed it YOU could be delusional too...

So why even talk?

Maybe we arent even talking..MAYBE we are in a spaceship...like The "matrix"..

I cant prove we arent...

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Rolling_Stone]

From some notes I was taking:

We see the world not as it is but as it is useful to us. In other words, our perception of reality is our best guess based on the experience of the individual and evolution. Some interpret this to mean that context is everything; I interpret it to mean relationship is everything. We are unique in the animal kingdom because we are constantly reevaluating our relationship with totality as individuals.


Different cultures and communities have different viewpoints of the world, conditioned over generations, an area that neuroscientists are just beginning to unpick. For example, Japanese people have a famous inability to distinguish between the “R” and the “L” sound. This arises because in Japanese the sounds are totally interchangeable. Neuroscientist Beau Lotto explains, “Differentiating between them has never been useful, so the brain has never learnt to do it. It's not just that Japanese people find it hard to tell the difference. They literally cannot hear the difference.” Examples like this abound.

 

[idea]

Perception of the outside world may or may not be true. How do we know that the floor is hard, or the air is cold, or water ripples? 8) How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?

Matt 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

I think it is not through concentrating on who we are, but in concentrating on others and what is around us, that what everything is becomes apparent...

From some notes I was taking:
We see the world not as it is but as it is useful to us.

so to see the world as it is, we have to stop trying to force it to serve us... just let it be to see it.

lose yourself, your wants your needs, to see what is really around you - Heisenberg uncertainty principle, what you observe you alter and so you can never really honestly observe anything - you have to stop trying to observe yourself before you can understand yourself...

"who we are is who we are with others" - forget the exact quote, meaning, if you are angry, you are angry at another, if you are friendly, you are friendly to another. What you are, you are relative to another... So first lose yourself - let go of who you are and instead allow yourself to explore - unimpeded by personal wants and needs - what is around you. Once you are free to interact with what is around you in a free unmanipulative state of being, you find who you are - does that make sense?

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"Good morning," said the fox.
"Good morning," the little prince responded ...

The fox gazed at the little prince, for a long time.
"Please - tame me!" he said.
"I want to, very much," the little prince replied. "But I have not much time. I have friends to
discover, and a great many things to understand."
"One only understands the things that one tames," said the fox.

 

[d.]

"How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?"

how do we separate the two to begin with?

 

[sandandfoam]

What are we talking about when we talk about the self? The conscious self is only a facade I think. For me the self is the consistant me that resides in the awareness that lies before consciousness. The self is very well defended and only occasionally glimpsed. It appreciates things my conscious mind does not. If I could access it (the self) I believe a far greater understanding would follow.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

"How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?"

'What' and 'who' is it that seeks to understand the self and from where does this presumption arise, that understanding of the self will lead to understanding of the world?

how do we separate the two to begin with?

'What' and 'who' is it that seeks to divide unity?

 

[Surya Deva]

'What' and 'who' is it that seeks to understand the self and from where does this presumption arise, that understanding of the self will lead to understanding of the world?

There is no world without self. I think that establishes that the world and self are inextricably linked. Know the self and then know the world. This doesn't work the other way around, as you need self in the first place to know the world and not vis versa. If you try to find the Self the world, it would be like trying to find the self in the mirror.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is no world without self. I think that establishes that the world and self are inextricably linked. Know the self and then know the world. This doesn't work the other way around, as you need self in the first place to know the world and not vis versa. If you try to find the Self the world, it would be like trying to find the self in the mirror.

So long as there is a seeker, there is an implication of the existence of something which is sought, which in turn implies a dualistic mindset.

The Tau can't ever be realized so long as there is separation between the knower and known. Duality and separation comes into being at the slightest thought.

Unity reveals itself to oneness alone when the mind is still.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Suraj,
Can understand your view very well and agree with ben d.
When ever the self is taken; it must be in relation to the whole the the seperate *SELF* becomes redundant. Yes the Self is only the medium to realise the TAO.
Love & rgds

 

[TaoistThinker]

Perception of the outside world may or may not be true. How do we know that the floor is hard, or the air is cold, or water ripples? 8) How does the understanding of the self lead to the understanding of the rest of the world?

If one truly understands his/her inner self, then he/she can enter the world knowing that they are what they are.

To be sure of ones surroundings is a conditioning that we have all gone through. If you do not know where you are, then you will not be comfortable in that place. We understand what we see, and through this understanding comes the need to understand more.

Put it this way. If you see yourself in a positive light, being a magnificent and beautiful human that you are, then you will have the same outlook on the world and its inhabitants. You will feel positive and have respect for others.

yet, if you hate yourself, and pour all of the negtivity into yourself, then you will not have a positive outlook on life at all.

 

[zenzero]

Friend TT,
To be one with Tao.
There is no self and all that is only a perception through the mind.
That is understanding of the self.
Love & rgds

 

[TaoistThinker]

There is an inner self, my friend. How would you describe yourself. s being an outer being, or a being that has an inner soul that will, through time, join with the Tao. Just to help myself understand better, are you of Buddhist belief or are you Taoist yourself?