Senate GOP Blocks Vets’ Benefits Bill Over Diplomacy-Killing Iran Sanctions

[Revoltingest]

Possibly.
But...I think it's also possible for it to get enough public attention that some lawmakers might actually take it up as a mission -- even if only for political clout.
It would not have to actually become technically illegal in order for it to be effective.
It could just become so politically unpopular, as to be considered unscrupulous and deceptive (which I think it really is,) so as to be considered political suicide to engage in it.
IMO, it would require that a lot of Americans actually care about the process and voice their opinion, rather than just caring one particular point of specific bills they hear about -- and then choosing to support or oppose based on that one fragment.

Your problem is that you're basically a good & thoughtful person, & full of hope.
That is...you're out of touch with us voters. We're petty & have a short attention span.

 

[Falvlun]

So because Democrats cannot convince their own members of the proper route to go it's the Republicans fault. I get it now.

Can you provide the vote breakdown that you are talking about? From what I'm seeing, while some Republicans voted voted Yea, no Democrats voted Nay.

Democrats sought to waive budget rules, but the proposal failed 58-40, with most Republicans voting against it. Sixty votes were needed to overcome the procedural hurdle and push the bill toward final passage. Five Republicans - Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine) - voted with all 53 members of the Democratic Conference to sidestep the procedural roadblock.

HERE

And on the actual bill:

NAYs ---41
Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Flake (R-AZ)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kirk (R-IL)
Lee (R-UT)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)

HERE

But even had a handful of democrats failed to support a bill, along with the majority of Republicans, surely you see how utterly unconvincing-- and petty-- your argument sounds?

Yes, if 99% of Republicans vote against a bill, along with only 1% of Democrats, it's pretty fair to say that Republicans caused the bill to fail.

 

[4consideration]

Your problem is that you're basically a good & thoughtful person, & full of hope.
That is...you're out of touch with us voters. We're petty & have a short attention span.

Well then, this looks to be a perfect issue for the Libertarian party to take on.

A Libertarian candidate could make it a campaign issue, and it could be usurped by a candidate in either of the big two. It just might end up as a competition of which side wants to be the one to demonize the other as dishonest first.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

But, but, but... the Dems have a majority in the Senate, so the only way the Pubs could "block" anything is if some evil Dems sided with them. Why isn't anyone talking about these evil Dems who refuse to play ball with those taking the moral high ground?

This is cute.....

As the vote shows..56 Democrats voted in favour of the bill and 41 Republicans voted against the bill. The vote needed 60 to pass the Senate so in essence the Republicans blocked the bill by filibuster.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...fm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00046#position

56 Yea
41 No
3 Not voting

 

[Revoltingest]

Well then, this looks to be a perfect issue for the Libertarian party to take on.

A Libertarian candidate could make it a campaign issue, and it could be usurped by a candidate in either of the big two. It just might end up as a competition of which side wants to be the one to demonize the other as dishonest first.

Lookie here, toots....we lose most elections as it is.
To make our message more complex with a boring technical issue would worsen our....hey!
You're purposely giving me a bad suggestion in order to keep us down....sneaky!

 

[4consideration]

Lookie here, toots....we lose most elections as it is.
To make our message more complex with a boring technical issue would worsen our....hey!
You're purposely giving me a bad suggestion in order to keep us down....sneaky!

No, I'm not.

I'm saying that even though the Libertarian party/candidate does not expect to win most elections, it could greatly influence things by presenting the issue, along with valid arguments to the arguments made by both big parties -- as to why this simple matter of voting on one topic at a time, rather than a gumbo of issues, isn't so complex after all -- and bring this particular problem in our system into the spotlight for the country.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I'm not.

I'm saying that even though the Libertarian party/candidate does not expect to win most elections, it could greatly influence things by presenting the issue, along with valid arguments to the arguments made by both big parties -- as to why this simple matter of voting on one topic at a time, rather than a gumbo of issues, isn't so complex after all -- and bring this particular problem in our system into the spotlight for the country.

I think we'd be better off campaigning on pro-gumbo stance.
Legalize gumbo!
Anyway, I wish more voters took your perspective.

 

[4consideration]

I think we'd be better off campaigning on pro-gumbo stance.
Legalize gumbo!
Anyway, I wish more voters took your perspective.

Long-term investment, Rev. They don't need to be great in number, just effective.

 

[YmirGF]

Can you provide the vote breakdown that you are talking about? From what I'm seeing, while some Republicans voted voted Yea, no Democrats voted Nay.

OKies. I forgot about the 60 vote thingy and that some Republicans have to be hog-tied to get legislation through. Sue me, I'm Canadian anyways, LOL. In Canada, we have the "Loyal Opposition" parties and they are not there to make the government's work a bed of roses.